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515colfelt

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I've tried to capture the orange peel on my wife's Ford Focus - believe me it looks so much worse in real life!

Why do they let them out of the factory with such a poor finish? (rant Over):nixweiss

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:mad: Peter
 
I do believe that orange peel is almost unavoidable due to the EPA regulations regarding VOC's in paint. Of course there are very expensive paints that have some water in them to replace some of the VOC's, but like I said....expensive.



And if some of yall dont know, the EPA regulation says paints can only contain 40% VOC's (volatile solvents). The more VOC, the more time the paint takes to dry, but that gives it time to naturally level out on the surface. To my knowledge, the prime paint mixture consists of 60% VOC to 40% solid.
 
peter,

haven't you been following the latest trends? ford is adding OP because sooo many people were complaining that the painted surfaces of their cars were sooo smooth and fine that they were afraid to drive them. so ford said ok, we'll rough up the finish so we won't get any complaints that the paint looks sooo good!!!! LOL, LOL!!!!



yes, it's a shame that they can't create a nice finish on these cars...no matter what the cost of the vehicle. its all done by robots anyway.. from benz's to chevys. the point is - everyone just accepts what they offer and don't voice complaints. BTW, when was the last time you saw OP like yours on an import ???



just my .02 worth. done venting now.
 
I have factory installed OP:( and while it sucks I think Joe Consumer have no idea what they are looking at and even less what its actually called. Most of the time it looks smooth but offset/shadowed light and you can see it what an eyesore. My wife's Murano has it also and its silver harder to see but its there. Lets all thank the environmentalist and tree huggers now:D
 
I was lucky enough to get lots of OP when my car was reprayed last year plus a few hairs in the paint. I am not sure if I was charged more for the hair though
 
The best way to avoid OP when you get a new paint job is mix the paint yourself, then have someone apply it. You might also try and find a shop that mixes their own paint, but expect much $$$$$ to disappear!
 
just take to car to a reputable bodyshop and they can wetsand it to get the OP out. Some manufacturers are better than others when it comes to OP though, my 89 Honda Civic for example, the paint on that thing was very smooth. So smooth that I hated that I had to get it repainted when the clearcoat started peeling, but they did a nice job on it and the OP was minimal.
 
yeah, it is usually domestic cars that have the most orange peel unfortunately. Th3\e onbly scary thing about sanding OP down is the fact you are thinning the paint.
 
jjwalker said:
I do believe that orange peel is almost unavoidable due to the EPA regulations regarding VOC's in paint. Of course there are very expensive paints that have some water in them to replace some of the VOC's, but like I said....expensive.



And if some of yall dont know, the EPA regulation says paints can only contain 40% VOC's (volatile solvents). The more VOC, the more time the paint takes to dry, but that gives it time to naturally level out on the surface. To my knowledge, the prime paint mixture consists of 60% VOC to 40% solid.
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That is exactly the cause ! most corner bodyshop would even do a worse job by adding more solvent to the paint, the paint is not gauranteed if they mix more solvents than recommended. The new low VOC paints dry before the gun has a chance to relap. I guess its a matter of manufacturing acceptability due to low VOC paints.
 
My gf has a black '97 cavalier and just had part of her door repainted after being broken into. The OP on her car was better than average before, but the piece he repainted looks like glass. He was just a dude in a slightly ghetto body shop, but the paint turned out PERFECT. If this guy can do work this good, the factories should also be able to. Maybe his paint wasn't legal, but I can't believe that's the only difference.
 
Ben Z. said:
...Maybe his paint wasn't legal, but I can't believe that's the only difference...
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I agree. My '04 F150 has a decent case of OP, not quite as bad as the original pic but close. But I have seen PLENTY of '04 F150's with worse OP than mine but I have also seen some that a very nicely shot. I think that even the new low-VOC paints can be shot decently, but it would certainly take some interesting sprayer calibration and environmental control, I suppose.
 
In a, I'm sure, rare case, my PT has much less OP than my mom's new Pilot. My hood is like glass, which I love. Her doors are the worst part of the Pilot.



However, I've seen plenty of Cruisers with bad OP and Pilots with great paint, so I think there's some inconsistent quality control there. :grrr



Audis, IMO, have the nicest paint of any car. (Yes, that includes exotics).



:wavey
 
I was witness of an interesting discussion between a customer who initially wanted to refuse to take his black VW Polo (small car) because of the terrible OP:



Customer: Sorry, but I won't take this; it is awful!!!

Salesman: Do you know why VW installed (!) the OP effect?

C.: No.

S.: Just think about it, when the surface would be too smooth and flat, it would cause a dangerous glare, because the mirror-like paint would reflect the light exactly into your eyes. VW wanted to eliminate this problem by installing (!) this effect. It reduces glare and enhances driver safety!

C.: Oh, my God! Who'd thought of that??? Now, VW IS THE manufacturer!



and he happily motored away...



:scared: :chuckle: :soscared: :nervous2: :rolleyes: :hm :shocked
 
Bence said:
I was witness of an interesting discussion between a customer who initially wanted to refuse to take his black VW Polo (small car) because of the terrible OP:



Customer: Sorry, but I won't take this; it is awful!!!

Salesman: Do you know why VW installed (!) the OP effect?

C.: No.

S.: Just think about it, when the surface would be too smooth and flat, it would cause a dangerous glare, because the mirror-like paint would reflect the light exactly into your eyes. VW wanted to eliminate this problem by installing (!) this effect. It reduces glare and enhances driver safety!

C.: Oh, my God! Who'd thought of that??? Now, VW IS THE manufacturer!



and he happily motored away...



:scared: :chuckle: :soscared: :nervous2: :rolleyes: :hm :shocked
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Now's that's classic! LOL!
 
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