RaysWay
Autopia Specialist
Good discussion here 
Mike Rowe owns an idiot
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Stokdgs
dansautodetailing.com
My Friend,
If there would ever be an accurate poll of the "older generation/s" that consider themselves "entitled", it might be amazing to see the huge amount of those that do not feel they are entitled at all, as the worldly, world, would want them/us to feel, so we can become all the things that have a negative effect on us, thereby weakening us even more...
The generation my parents And their parents grew up in had the Depression of 1929 to deal with, and unless I missed something, there has never been anything worse than that for everyone in America..
And they also had 2 world wars to deal with and be participants in...
And somehow, those that survived all of that strived every day, - every day - to do all they could so their children would not have to endure what they endured...
My generation just had the end of the Korean War, the entire Cold War, and Vietnam War to work with, while we were trying to finish growing up at 17 years old, do our patriotic duty for our country, and somehow, get a job, further our Education, get Married, and raise a Family..
And we did all of this without NONE of the amazing technological advances in Communication we have today !
I am not sure where that group of my generation is that feels they are so Entitled that it has come to your attention, but I can assure you there are no, not one, person/s like that that I have ever run across..
As far as helping ANYONE, especially those Elderly, upon whose backs we all stand on today, who were related to the Pioneers, who left their homes in other parts of the world, who lost so many of their own family and children on those lonely trails, to come here to worship freely, and make something of themselves and support their families, I will ALWAYS, ALWAYS, be there and stop to help them...
Lawsuits, BS, be dammed, there is always much more good in the form of Blessings from above that comes to those that stop and help someone in need...
Dan F
House of Wax
Active member
I can't help but wonder how much the internet/social media/24 hour news/etc.....skews people's perception of others/other generations now compared to what their perception would be even 20-30 years ago without all that saturation of "news" (if that makes sense)
Bunky
Detailing Gnosis
From my experience (been in the south during the 60's), these misguided people have always existed. The opinion varied by region. The internet does feed the beast even more to stir up stuff and allows people with opposite opinions to discuss in ways they never did. It used to primarily church and local politics. It has just expanded.
Swanicyouth
New member
Lol. This is too funny. I got into a discussion with one of my technicians the other day. Basically, her son is in 3rd grade and has math homework - but she can't figure it out.
She tells me it's "new math". Im like: "there is no new math.... math is math". She is about 30 years old and can't figure out 3rd grade math. This leads me to believe she never learned "math" to begin with.
"New math". Lolz. Where are we going with this?
RDKC
New member
I don't jump in and help because I have been scorned for doing so in many cases. Hence why I said I may ask if they need help. Automatically assuming they need help because of their age is just as disrespectful as turning a blind eye.
It all depends on where exactly you are though I suppose. Elders in the Middle East are highly revered and many things can be taken as disrespect. My experience has shown me that, whether it be disrespectful or respectful, asking first never hurts as much as just picking the wrong thing.
heisenberg
New member
You laugh, but I have to think she's at least partially right. Because of district standards and common core plenty of schools have to teach math differently than they did before and if you try to show it to your kid or someone younger they get more confused because the teacher tells them "This is how you do it. Any deviation results in points off." The way is pretty stupid IMO
It's like anything else where people rely on muscle memory to do things and if you try to ask them to explain the concept or reasoning behind it it's like "uhhh I mean this is just how I do it?" with not much thought behind it.
Common Core Multiplication Method - Business Insider
House of Wax
Active member
Yeah, I've see some examples of that garbage and just leaves me scratching my head.
House of Wax
Active member
Bernie Sanders tweets, “At the end of the day, providing a path to go to college is a helluva lot cheaper than putting people on a path to jail.”
I wonder sometimes, if the best way to question the increasingly dangerous idea that a college education is the best path for the most people, is to stop fighting the sentiment directly, and simply shine a light on the knuckleheads who continue to perpetuate this nonsense. This latest tweet from Bernie Sanders is a prime example. In less than 140 characters, he’s managed to imply that a path to prison is the most likely alternative to a path to college.
Historically, universities have promoted themselves at the expense of many other forms of “alternative education.” The implicit suggestion, reinforced daily by a generation of well-intended guidance counselors and misguided parents, is always the same - get yourself a four-year degree, or accept one of the many “vocational consolation prizes” that result from all other forms of “lesser knowledge.”
It’s a cautionary tale as predictable as it is false. But now, as people are slowly starting to understand the obscenity of 1.3 trillion dollars in student loans, along with the abundance of opportunity for those with the proper training, it seems the proponents of “college for all” need something even more frightening than the prospect of a career in the trades to frighten the next class into signing on the dotted line. According to Senator Sanders, that “something,” is a path to jail.
I try not to be political on this page, because the truth is, arrogance and elitism are alive and well in every corner of every party - especially with respect to this topic. But I have to admit, this is the first time I’ve seen an elected official support the hyper-inflated cost of a diploma by juxtaposing it with the hyper-inflated cost of incarceration. Honestly, I’m not sure what to make of it.
Is it possible that Senator Sanders doesn’t realize the number of college graduates with criminal records? Is he unaware of the millions of successful tradespeople and entrepreneurs who didn’t pay for a sheepskin, but somehow managed to stay of the clink? Does he not recognize that comments like his will encourage more kids who are better suited for an alternative path to borrow vast sums of money they’ll never be able to pay back in order to pay for a degree that won’t get them a job?
Maybe not. Maybe the 140 character limit has doomed him to be misunderstood or taken out of context. Certainly, it’s happened to me. But regardless, the damage is in the headline, and Twitter is nothing but headlines. The truth, in my opinion, is this: There is no alternative for an education, and no hope for a person who doesn’t want to learn something useful and apply it. But there are many, many alternatives to college. And none of them come with a prison sentence.
Anyway, I’m in no position to judge. After all, I’m going LIVE on Facebook at 5pm PT to raise money for Work Ethic Scholarships by singing The Grinch and selling a collectible Bobblehead. eBay.com Item Bid History
So really, what do I know?
Mike
I wonder sometimes, if the best way to question the increasingly dangerous idea that a college education is the best path for the most people, is to stop fighting the sentiment directly, and simply shine a light on the knuckleheads who continue to perpetuate this nonsense. This latest tweet from Bernie Sanders is a prime example. In less than 140 characters, he’s managed to imply that a path to prison is the most likely alternative to a path to college.
Historically, universities have promoted themselves at the expense of many other forms of “alternative education.” The implicit suggestion, reinforced daily by a generation of well-intended guidance counselors and misguided parents, is always the same - get yourself a four-year degree, or accept one of the many “vocational consolation prizes” that result from all other forms of “lesser knowledge.”
It’s a cautionary tale as predictable as it is false. But now, as people are slowly starting to understand the obscenity of 1.3 trillion dollars in student loans, along with the abundance of opportunity for those with the proper training, it seems the proponents of “college for all” need something even more frightening than the prospect of a career in the trades to frighten the next class into signing on the dotted line. According to Senator Sanders, that “something,” is a path to jail.
I try not to be political on this page, because the truth is, arrogance and elitism are alive and well in every corner of every party - especially with respect to this topic. But I have to admit, this is the first time I’ve seen an elected official support the hyper-inflated cost of a diploma by juxtaposing it with the hyper-inflated cost of incarceration. Honestly, I’m not sure what to make of it.
Is it possible that Senator Sanders doesn’t realize the number of college graduates with criminal records? Is he unaware of the millions of successful tradespeople and entrepreneurs who didn’t pay for a sheepskin, but somehow managed to stay of the clink? Does he not recognize that comments like his will encourage more kids who are better suited for an alternative path to borrow vast sums of money they’ll never be able to pay back in order to pay for a degree that won’t get them a job?
Maybe not. Maybe the 140 character limit has doomed him to be misunderstood or taken out of context. Certainly, it’s happened to me. But regardless, the damage is in the headline, and Twitter is nothing but headlines. The truth, in my opinion, is this: There is no alternative for an education, and no hope for a person who doesn’t want to learn something useful and apply it. But there are many, many alternatives to college. And none of them come with a prison sentence.
Anyway, I’m in no position to judge. After all, I’m going LIVE on Facebook at 5pm PT to raise money for Work Ethic Scholarships by singing The Grinch and selling a collectible Bobblehead. eBay.com Item Bid History
So really, what do I know?
Mike
heisenberg
New member
I do think you are misinterpreting the sentiment behind that quote. It's not meant to be a dig at the working class or those who do not attend college. It's meant to say that for taxpayers, it costs more money to keep someone incarcerated for a certain length of time vs. moving to a public university model which is one of Sanders' main platforms he's running on.
So it's more of a "Which would you rather pay for?" since he's assuming that a populace with an easier means to attend higher education will be less crime ridden, which is something I could probably agree with - just not sure how you get there.
Also, it's not fair to say "the damage is in the headlines" because we should be a little more discerning of how we get our news and how much we read into it. Taking things out of context and failing to exercise some critical thinking and common sense when other people say things is no good for anyone.
House of Wax
Active member
I didn't misinterpret anything. Those were words from Mike Rowe
The Driver
Detailers Workshop
You thought medical fraud was bad, if we have a public education model do you know how rampant it will be? It's already bad enough. I for one am the working class an the free college thing is BS. I paid my way, an GUESS WHAT ITS BECAUSE I WANTED TO ATTEND COLLEGE. This is what most liberals are missing, with all these programs an subsidies there are plenty that just go because they have nothing else better to do, many that just don't care. Why should I have to pay for schooling for someone that treats it as 13th grade? When you pay, you care.
House of Wax
Active member
heisenberg
New member
:redface:
Thought your name was Mike.
Yeah, I paid my way through college too. I never said one way or the other what the best approach is. I was relaying Sanders' platform.
House of Wax
Active member
5.6 MILLION REASONS TO STOP IGNORING THE SKILLS GAP
Last week, my personal toilet at mikeroweWORKS Headquarters coughed up a disgusting clog of bad advice, noxious bromides, and odorous stereotypes, leaving my entire office awash in the horrific stench of myth and nonsense. With no licensed plumbers on hand, I was forced to address the problem myself, pulling each offending fallacy from it’s cardboard tube of allegorical poo, and confronting it with a mix of government statistics and righteous indignation. As always, my objective was twofold - to shine a light on America’s widening skills gap, and debunk the growing perception that “all the good jobs are gone.”
This latest effort is called “Hot Under the Blue Collar,” and it was sponsored by One Hour Heating and Air Conditioning, Benjamin Franklin Plumbing, and Mr. Sparky Electrical. Like so many other companies who rely on a skilled workforce, the people who own home service businesses are struggling to find the next generation of tradespeople who will keep our lights on and our pipes clear. Right now, thousands of good jobs - literally thousands - exist within these three companies alone. But no one seems to want them, and the reasons have nothing to do with low pay, poor benefits, or a lack of available training. They have more to do with the metaphorical miasma of misinformation currently clogging my commode. Consider:
Back in 2009, 12 million people were out of work. Most Americans assumed that could be fixed with 12 million new jobs. Thus, “job creation” became headline news. But then, the Bureau of Labor and Statistics quietly announced that companies were struggling to fill 2.1 million skilled positions. That statistic generated a lot of questions.
How could so many good jobs go unfilled when so many people were out of work? Why weren’t people lining up for these opportunities? Why weren’t apprenticeship programs exploding with eager applicants?
Democrats blamed corporate greed. “Just offer workers more money,” they said, “and the skills gap will close itself.”
Republicans blamed the unemployed. “See? The jobs are out there,” they said. “Now get off your lazy ass and get one!”
Consequently, the skills gap became politicized, and ultimately overshadowed by unemployment figures, interest rates, inflation, and just about every other economic indicator. And so, the existence of 2.1 million good jobs got very little attention.
Now, eight years later, unemployment is down, interest rates are under control, and inflation is in check. But the overall labor participation rate is very low, and the skills gap is wider than ever. In fact, the latest numbers are out, and they are astonishing. According to the Department of Labor, America now has 5.6 million job openings. America has near record 5.6 million job openings | Money - KMBC Home
Forget your politics for a moment, and consider the enormity of what’s happening here. Millions of people who have stopped looking for work, are ignoring 5.6 million genuine opportunities. That’s not a polemic, or a judgment, or an opinion. It’s a fact. And so is this: most of those 5.6 million opportunities don’t require a diploma - they require require a skill.
Unfortunately, the skilled trades are no longer aspirational in these United States. In a society that’s convinced a four-year degree is the best path for the most people, a whole category of good jobs have been relegated to some sort of “vocational consolation prize.” Is it any wonder we have 1.3 trillion dollars in outstanding student loans? Is it really a surprise that vocational education has pretty much evaporated from high schools? Obviously, the number of available jobs and the number of unemployed people are not nearly as correlated as most people assume.
I’m no economist, but the skills gap doesn’t seem all that mysterious - it seems like a reflection of what we value. Five and half million unfilled jobs is clearly a terrible drag on the economy and a sad commentary of what many people consider to be a "good job," but it also represents a tremendous opportunity for anyone willing to learn a trade and apply themselves.
As long as Americans remain addicted to affordable electricity, smooth roads, indoor plumbing and climate control, the opportunities in the skilled trades will never go away. They’ll never be outsourced. And those properly trained will always have the opportunity to expand their trade into a small business. But if we don’t do something to reinvigorate the trades, and make a persuasive case for good jobs that actually exist, I'm afraid the metaphorical crap in my literal toilet will never go away, and millions of great opportunities will go down the drain.
In closing, please - don’t let anyone tell you that opportunity is dead in America. That’s the biggest myth of all, and in honor of President’s Day, I propose we smash that turd to pieces and flush it away with all due speed. In a few weeks, mikeroweWORKS will release another batch of Work Ethic Scholarships. This year, I put a call out to a few large companies that rely on skilled labor, and they've agreed to help me fund a new round. I’m grateful. Along with the help of many on this page, we’ve raised enough to make a sizable splash in mid March.
I’ll also provide a link to “Hot Under the Blue Collar,” which probably won’t win a Cleo, but just might keep the conversation lively.
Stay tuned…
Mike
Last week, my personal toilet at mikeroweWORKS Headquarters coughed up a disgusting clog of bad advice, noxious bromides, and odorous stereotypes, leaving my entire office awash in the horrific stench of myth and nonsense. With no licensed plumbers on hand, I was forced to address the problem myself, pulling each offending fallacy from it’s cardboard tube of allegorical poo, and confronting it with a mix of government statistics and righteous indignation. As always, my objective was twofold - to shine a light on America’s widening skills gap, and debunk the growing perception that “all the good jobs are gone.”
This latest effort is called “Hot Under the Blue Collar,” and it was sponsored by One Hour Heating and Air Conditioning, Benjamin Franklin Plumbing, and Mr. Sparky Electrical. Like so many other companies who rely on a skilled workforce, the people who own home service businesses are struggling to find the next generation of tradespeople who will keep our lights on and our pipes clear. Right now, thousands of good jobs - literally thousands - exist within these three companies alone. But no one seems to want them, and the reasons have nothing to do with low pay, poor benefits, or a lack of available training. They have more to do with the metaphorical miasma of misinformation currently clogging my commode. Consider:
Back in 2009, 12 million people were out of work. Most Americans assumed that could be fixed with 12 million new jobs. Thus, “job creation” became headline news. But then, the Bureau of Labor and Statistics quietly announced that companies were struggling to fill 2.1 million skilled positions. That statistic generated a lot of questions.
How could so many good jobs go unfilled when so many people were out of work? Why weren’t people lining up for these opportunities? Why weren’t apprenticeship programs exploding with eager applicants?
Democrats blamed corporate greed. “Just offer workers more money,” they said, “and the skills gap will close itself.”
Republicans blamed the unemployed. “See? The jobs are out there,” they said. “Now get off your lazy ass and get one!”
Consequently, the skills gap became politicized, and ultimately overshadowed by unemployment figures, interest rates, inflation, and just about every other economic indicator. And so, the existence of 2.1 million good jobs got very little attention.
Now, eight years later, unemployment is down, interest rates are under control, and inflation is in check. But the overall labor participation rate is very low, and the skills gap is wider than ever. In fact, the latest numbers are out, and they are astonishing. According to the Department of Labor, America now has 5.6 million job openings. America has near record 5.6 million job openings | Money - KMBC Home
Forget your politics for a moment, and consider the enormity of what’s happening here. Millions of people who have stopped looking for work, are ignoring 5.6 million genuine opportunities. That’s not a polemic, or a judgment, or an opinion. It’s a fact. And so is this: most of those 5.6 million opportunities don’t require a diploma - they require require a skill.
Unfortunately, the skilled trades are no longer aspirational in these United States. In a society that’s convinced a four-year degree is the best path for the most people, a whole category of good jobs have been relegated to some sort of “vocational consolation prize.” Is it any wonder we have 1.3 trillion dollars in outstanding student loans? Is it really a surprise that vocational education has pretty much evaporated from high schools? Obviously, the number of available jobs and the number of unemployed people are not nearly as correlated as most people assume.
I’m no economist, but the skills gap doesn’t seem all that mysterious - it seems like a reflection of what we value. Five and half million unfilled jobs is clearly a terrible drag on the economy and a sad commentary of what many people consider to be a "good job," but it also represents a tremendous opportunity for anyone willing to learn a trade and apply themselves.
As long as Americans remain addicted to affordable electricity, smooth roads, indoor plumbing and climate control, the opportunities in the skilled trades will never go away. They’ll never be outsourced. And those properly trained will always have the opportunity to expand their trade into a small business. But if we don’t do something to reinvigorate the trades, and make a persuasive case for good jobs that actually exist, I'm afraid the metaphorical crap in my literal toilet will never go away, and millions of great opportunities will go down the drain.
In closing, please - don’t let anyone tell you that opportunity is dead in America. That’s the biggest myth of all, and in honor of President’s Day, I propose we smash that turd to pieces and flush it away with all due speed. In a few weeks, mikeroweWORKS will release another batch of Work Ethic Scholarships. This year, I put a call out to a few large companies that rely on skilled labor, and they've agreed to help me fund a new round. I’m grateful. Along with the help of many on this page, we’ve raised enough to make a sizable splash in mid March.
I’ll also provide a link to “Hot Under the Blue Collar,” which probably won’t win a Cleo, but just might keep the conversation lively.
Stay tuned…
Mike
heisenberg
New member
Nobody listens to me when I bring up skilled labor vs. office work and how it's available if you want to work for it and learn a new skill. It's insane. I work in higher-ed and people are wondering why our enrollments are down and I don't think anyone is realizing that it's simply just not smart financially for everybody to go to college with how expensive it is and with how oversaturated with unemployed graduates their fields are.
House of Wax
Active member
I'd put a bullet in my head if I was stuck in an office all day
The Driver
Detailers Workshop
I thought that too, until I discovered angel list. There is some seriously BAD A$$ tech/solutions out there. I for one am a huge fan of tech, no all has to be software, the hardware is incredible these days. Anything from 3D print modeling to the most advanced ear phones on the face of the planet (Yes, I will be doing a review on them as I was lucky enough to get a pair )
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RaysWay
Autopia Specialist
I thought that too, until I discovered angel list. There is some seriously BAD A$$ tech/solutions out there. I for one am a huge fan of tech, no all has to be software, the hardware is incredible these days. Anything from 3D print modeling to the most advanced ear phones on the face of the planet (Yes, I will be doing a review on them as I was lucky enough to get a pair
Can we get a teaser on the earphones? I love high quality audio.
The Driver
Detailers Workshop
Some world class specks
4gb internal memory
Waterproof (Great for surfing)
noise canceling
heart rate + speed (Great for snowboarding)
Bluetooth & NFC, they can run without a master aka they don't need a controller like a phone or iPod. They play completely by themselves, touch controls built into the units them selves
