Microfiber Wash Mitt?!

teamvegas said:
David, how good are the chinille sponges on autopia car care? Do they hold dirt and not release? Ive heard a couple different stories about these. If you could clear it up for me I would appreciate it.



-Trent
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They are not my favorite, but they work well if you treat them right. The biggest problem people have is that the washing machine will beat the heck out of them if you don't put them in a net laundry bag.



The good thing about the chenille pads is they hold a ton of soapy water.



My personal favorite is still the genuine wool wash mitt.
 
Mantic6t9 said:
I would never use a MF mitt to wash my car. They trap too much dirt, i can never rinse them clean. Sheepskin all the way for me.
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I totally agree. In fact I won't use a micro fiber cloth on my exterior period! My car is black and no matter which MF I use I get micro marring. It's not my technique either. In fairness I have not tried DF towels or pakshak's towels. However. Cotton isn't broke so why fix it.



I DO however love MF for cleaning door jams, cleaning interiors etc. They do a great job! I use them in my home too. My cook top never looked so clean, and with only water!
 
My car is almost black, mars like hell (brush it with a coat edge and it marrs) and I get zero marring from MF towels or mitts.



My MFs are PakShak.
 
GoodnClean said:
My car is almost black, mars like hell (brush it with a coat edge and it marrs) and I get zero marring from MF towels or mitts.



My MFs are PakShak.
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I have heard very good things about those....



I currently use lambs wool and the two pail method. 100% cotton from feildcrest, for polish/wax. Same results as you.
 
GoodnClean said:
My car is almost black, mars like hell (brush it with a coat edge and it marrs) and I get zero marring from MF towels or mitts.
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3 of my cars are black. Cotton 100% I was always chasing marring.

MF's & WW'S - this problem has been almost completely halted.



Favorites: DF, Exceldetail, Autofiber (MicrofiberTec) and Pakshak



My vehicles desire no less than best products that work for me. :xyxthumbs
 
blkZ28Conv said:
3 of my cars are black. Cotton 100% I was always chasing marring.

MF's & WW'S - this problem has been almost completely halted.



Favorites: DF, Exceldetail, Autofiber (MicrofiberTec) and Pakshak



My vehicles desire no less than best products that work for me. :xyxthumbs
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What cotton towels were you using? Did you remove the edges? was it 100% with no polyester? What brand were they? The wrong towels will yeild the results you describe.



As to MF's, are you using a wax or ploymer? Wax with p21s or the like will temporarilly fill those micro marrs. You simply may not be able to see them. Poly's like Zaino hide nothing. For poly's I would never use a MF. Nor would I use it to wash my polied car. Wax with a wax QD is another story. they have good hiding qualities, assuming you are using a filling type wax. For poly's I use cotton.
 
Well I have never had any scratches or marring with my MFs. I have with some Cotton towels. There is enough evidence on this site and from my personal use to convince me that good quality MF does not scratch, micro scratch, marr, micro marr.



I think the problem is in Non split Microfiber. Since this thread is on Mitts I had a MF mitt supplied to me that just plain scratched.

it was 100% polyester and apparently that means its " non split microfibre" and it marked like hell. Im no expert so i am happy to be corrected here.



My current MF mitt is supposed to be split microfibre and "feels magnificent" compared to the other one. No scratching whatsoever.



Has anyone had another experience with non split Microfiber ?
 
Bruce Peter said:
What cotton towels were you using? Did you remove the edges? was it 100% with no polyester? What brand were they? The wrong towels will yeild the results you describe.



As to MF's, are you using a wax or ploymer? Wax with p21s or the like will temporarilly fill those micro marrs. You simply may not be able to see them. Poly's like Zaino hide nothing. For poly's I would never use a MF. Nor would I use it to wash my polied car. Wax with a wax QD is another story. they have good hiding qualities, assuming you are using a filling type wax. For poly's I use cotton.
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Hi Peter,

As I mentioned I use or have tried to use the best products available based on my knowledge base at the time. I used Autopian quality cotton towels ( ie. Fieldcrest ( factory sorry closed factory just down the road from me) over the last fews years until I finally gave in and tried quality MF (PakShak were my first exposure - Excellent :xyxthumbs). I have not turned back. Yes the edges were either removed (Kevin SS) or towel folded to avoid edge contact with finish. I was a hard sell for MF's. Like yourself I felt that my cotton towel supplies had many $$ invested and I thought that surface marring was just part of the deal with dark colored vehicle. That proved not to be the case for me.



Depends on which of my vehicles that we are talking. I use both sealants ( Zaino,EX,UPP and NXT) and carnuabas (you name it I got it or at one time tried it). I do not believe in covering up surface marring so my prep tries to eliminate most of this problem prior to topping with a protectant. After 30+ years with dealing with vehicle finishes I can denote surface marring induction or the lack of it. For me MF's has greatly reduced this problem.



This is not a case of which type of towel works better but which type of towel gives "you/me" the best results. In your case 100% hi-quality cotton and me hi-quality MF's.

It is not always the road we take but the goal achieved - the ultimate finish. :wavey
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Hi Peter,

As I mentioned I use or have tried to use the best products available based on my knowledge base at the time. I used Autopian quality cotton towels ( ie. Fieldcrest ( factory sorry closed factory just down the road from me) over the last fews years until I finally gave in and tried quality MF (PakShak were my first exposure - Excellent :xyxthumbs). I have not turned back. Yes the edges were either removed (Kevin SS) or towel folded to avoid edge contact with finish. I was a hard sell for MF's. Like yourself I felt that my cotton towel supplies had many $$ invested and I thought that surface marring was just part of the deal with dark colored vehicle. That proved not to be the case for me.



Depends on which of my vehicles that we are talking. I use both sealants ( Zaino,EX,UPP and NXT) and carnuabas (you name it I got it or at one time tried it). I do not believe in covering up surface marring so my prep tries to eliminate most of this problem prior to topping with a protectant. After 30+ years with dealing with vehicle finishes I can denote surface marring induction or the lack of it. For me MF's has greatly reduced this problem.



This is not a case of which type of towel works better but which type of towel gives "you/me" the best results. In your case 100% hi-quality cotton and me hi-quality MF's.

It is not always the road we take but the goal achieved - the ultimate finish. :wavey
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I guess I'm gona have to break down and try Pakshak and or Df towels. I know DF is a dedicated Zaino user, he swears by them!.



I am a hard sell like you said. I tried MFtech towels, thier best, and still got micro marring. I also have used "big blue" for drying. I have not noticed any problems there, but I don't wipe, I dab.



My GURU detailer friend is also a Zaino freak like me. His name has been mentioned here before, Erich Lipinski. He uses cotton with fabric softener, a no no on this site. However, you can't argue with his results either. His cars look better than anything I have ever seen.



The one step he uses which I asked him to change was IHG before zaino. I have always noticed some micro marring after a wash or two. So I asked him to go with 3M Pi MG, which removes rather than fills the remaining defects. I will post my results this spring.



Thanks for you feedback. Where can I get pakshak or df towels??



Bruce
 
Ranney Rocks!! :up



I will also add that DavidB's WW towels (small size is what I have sampled) are just 1st class and real soft.
 
I originally began detailing with chenille mitts and found them to be a royal pain the you know where. My Jetta has a "fuzzy" coating on some of the weather-stripping and the chenille would fuzz all all over the place. Plus, when I washed them, they would get beat up quite badly. None of the various brands I purchased lasted very long.



I ordered a sheepskin mitt from Griot's along with some other things and liked it until after it's first use. After cleaning it thoroughly and allowing to dry, the leather would get quite stiff. I would end up soaking the mitt for a while (usually I'd work on the wheels while it was soaking) and then it would get soft again. I just didn't like the skin getting so stiff as if it got bent or folded I felt it might crack the leather.



On a whim, I bought an mf mitt from CMA and have loved it. Yes, you do have to be careful that you don't get any debris trapped in the fibers, but I find that to be true with any mitt or cloth that I use.



I agree with David that the sheepskin mitt is a wonderful product, but I really like the adaptability that I get from mf. I can use an mf mitt dry as a duster, an applicator, or wet for washing paint or glass, etc.



Everyone has their preferences, but, for me mf is the way to go. I still use the sheepskin from time to time and enjoy it. One endearing quality of the sheepskin is that it will last a long time. Mf's and cotton do need to be replaced after a time.
 
Peter,

You can PM "Pakshak" and don'f forget to mention the Autopian discount.

Another great MF's that you may enjoy is the terry weave MF from Exceldetail. Very plush and texture is more like the terry towels you are using. You can PM "Patrick"



DFTowel - PM "Leo" or do a Yahoo search DF Towel. I use one of his medium towels for a wash rag also. :xyxthumbs



Interesting about the fabric soften added to wash results. Might be something there. The reason this is a believed no-no is because of the residual that may be applied to vehicle. Obviously, this is not an absolute. :wavey
 
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