MF towels on black cars. Scratches???

Hawkeye_TDI

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Has anyone here experienced micro marring form MF's? Maybe it's my technique but it seems to me that my MF tech towels are causing swirls on my Zainoed, carbon black car.



Am I alone here, or is there anyone in the same camp?



I'm going back to feildcrest cotton and see if there is a difference.



Bruce

:confused: :confused:
 
Before you jump the MF ship:

-are they washed with liquid soap and dryed on low/no heat with NO fabric softener?

-have you tried Ranney Pak's Pakshak towels?



I have not heard of this complain about MF's, but it is possible you got a bad batch. Try another brand before going to all cotton- contact Ranney, his are outstanding. I'd swaddle my first born in them.
 
Hi Bruce Peter,



I have used microfibertech's micro fiber towels and they are good micro fiber towels. Ian is a great guy too.



Hmmmm....Have you closely checked your micro fiber towel for any foreign embedded object between the fibers?



How are you washing your micro fiber towels? Liquid laundry detergent?



Try using a QD and over a small area and see if it is still there?



With Aloha,

~Ranney
 
I've never had problems with my mf's from microfibertech. Are you actually witnessing the swirls being put into the paint as you wipe?



did you wash the towels?
 
Make sure the towels have been rinsed well...I mean well. Run them through a complete cycle with no detergent.



Do the CD test.
 
I wash with liquid soap, no conditioner, low heat dried by themselves. They are clean with no imbedded debri.



As to witnessing the swirls, all I can say is that after three layers of Z on a swirl free surface I began to see micro marring. After more coats and a few washings they get worse.

To prep I used SMR and a yellow pad. I did a Z6 after SMR and before Z1, Z2.



It may be in the technique, however I use very little pressure, micro amounts of Z2 and the two bucket anal method of washing that would make any autopian proud. I then dry with gregs water sheeting method followed by a blow dry then a Z6 QD with the MF. I use a chenille mitt from CMA.

They passed the CD test!

:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Did you wash with Dawn or wipe down with 50/50 water/alcohol after the SMR? If not, perhaps the fillers left by the SMR are wearing away, and you're not seeing new marring, but old marks previously hidden by SMR fillers?



Tort
 
I've had the same problem. The micro marring is in the Zaino coats. Doesn't matter what towels I used. I don't know how to fix it without stripping off the Zaino and restarting the process.
 
In my experience Zaino is very susceptible to micro-marring. I think that the most likely source of marring on Zaino is during washing. Having to drive 1/3 mile on crushed granite to get from my house to the asphalt was giving me a lot of problems which led to a lot of experimenting. Here’s what has worked best for me:



Wash before the car is very dirty. Drizzle low pressure water on the area to be washed for a minute or so to rinse away loose dirt and give soluble stuff a chance to dissolve. Spritz areas that have undissolved stuff (like granite dust) with a fairly strong Z-7/water solution, wait a couple of minute and then drizzle again with low pressure water. Dip a 16�x16� unfolded MF towel in the wash bucket. On horizontal surface use no pressure, just the weight of the wet towel, and pull across the surface following with low pressure water. On vertical surface use just enough pressure to maintain contact. Rinse the towel in the rinse bucket after each pass. Change to a clean towel after every 2-4 sections. Dry using a waffle weave MF towel, blot - don’t wipe, and a blower. Use a piece of T-shirt material as a filter on the blower or vacuum.



Do not rub to remove difficult dirt! If, after washing, there are remaining spots of dirt - then deal with them on an individual basis.



IMO all marring comes from a single cause - rubbing debris across the paint. Solution: keep everything as clean as possible and use minimum pressure. Rubbing is for polishing, not for washing, not for drying, and not for protectant application/removal. During washing there is no escaping having debris involved in the process - so the ability of the wash mitt, towel, etc. to trap and hide picked up stuff is a major factor.



Suggestion: Get a 500W halogen obsession light (less than $15 at Home Depot or Lowe’s) and experiment to see what wash tool and technique works best for you. Black is a PITA!



Good luck and have fun!
 
I third what Bretfraz and Nick stated. I had this problem with Zaino on my black cars. Micro-marring not noticed on silvermist vehicle. Great protection but very susceptible to visible micro-marring on black.



I use PakShak and MicrofiberTech MF and switch to much more forgiving and carnauba-like sealants (Poorboy's EX and BF II). Finish stays micro-marred visible free a whole lot longer.

MF's have been a "GOD" send.:xyxthumbs
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I third what Bretfraz and Nick stated. I had this problem with Zaino on my black cars. Micro-marring not noticed on silvermist vehicle. Great protection but very susceptible to visible micro-marring on black.



I use PakShak and MicrofiberTech MF and switch to much more forgiving and carnauba-like sealants (Poorboy's EX and BF II). Finish stays micro-marred visible free a whole lot longer.

MF's have been a "GOD" send.:xyxthumbs





Hmmm, This si a quandry. I love the slickness of Zaino. If multiple layers are suseptible to micro marring then I may have to try one coat with some Pinnacle souveran or P21S on top.



Given that senario and knowing I can't layer the Z on top of the carnuba, would a regiment of careful washing and a monthly coat of carnuba atop the single coat of zaino be less suseptible to marring? Can I use GEPC on top of Zaino or will it remove it?



B
 
Bruce,



Sometimes, I think just breathing on a black car can cause micro marring! :cool:



I have had the best results with Poorboy's EX topped with Souveran. It seems to be a very forgiving result for black.



I have had great luck with CMA's Miracle Towel but I am looking for some new MF towels to add to my collection.



Besides the Miracle towel, what are the other premium MF towels out there? I am looking for soft and fluffy MF's.



Thanks!



Cheers,

My Black 7 Series
 
I use Zaino also. After coming to this site I started using Micro Fiber towels and started having micro marring problems. I am going to go back to my 100% cotton towels that i used before.
 
AMP, Soft and fluffy MF"s -- DF Towel



Cheetoh, I tried Zaino for 70+ coats using expensive 100% cotton towels w/o edging (~50 coats) and remainder using MF's. Both marred the Zaino on black. The sad part was this occurred from just QD'ing a perfect clean car which was only washed 3 times last year ( garage queen that never exposed to bad weather). I agree if 100% worked for you I would also return. :wavey
 
Originally posted by AMP99

Besides the Miracle towel, what are the other premium MF towels out there? I am looking for soft and fluffy MF's.



Amp,



I second blkz28Conv's nomination of the DFTowel. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, it is the SOFTEST towel I have ever used! My other recommendation would be the Elite towel sold by MicrofiberTech. This is my favorite QD towel. My CMA Miracle Towel would be a close second for QD purposes. I have not yet tried the PakShak or YoSteve towel offerings, but I hear (as I'm sure you have too) nothing but good things.
 
In my experience it takes several coats of Z-5 to have a noticeable effect on even slight marring.



I have successfully used IHG on top of Zaino, and then topped the IHG with more Zaino - but doing this is more of an art than a science. Too much washing/wiping after the IHG and you remove the fillers. Too little washing/wiping after the IHG and you leave the oils and the Zaino won’t bond. I got the most consistent results by misting the IHG area with a mild Z-7/water solution and wiping it off, then misting with Z-6 and wiping it off - no rubbing in either case.
 
bretfraz said:
I've had the same problem. The micro marring is in the Zaino coats. Doesn't matter what towels I used. I don't know how to fix it without stripping off the Zaino and restarting the process.



Same problem.I just no longer use Zaino on my black car.



Serg
 
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