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I was wondering if someone can help me out by placing the menzerna products in an order from least aggressive to most aggressive. I was trying to filter through them all on autogeek and it just became difficult jumping back and forth.
 
Disclaimer, I work for ProperAutoCare and designed these charts, hence the water marks. I hope this thread is useful, but wanted to be cleaer about the water mark/logos so nobody thinks I am trying to pull a fast one.



These charts are for reference only. The process of machine polishing removes trace amounts of paint and leaves behind very fine scratching on the paint's surface.



The total amount of paint removed would be referred to as the cut. This is as also known as the Polish Aggressiveness. The higher the number at the top of the pad, the more aggressive the pad and polish combination.



The paint condition key works the same way. The higher the number, the more damaged the paint, in terms of the depth of the defects. This is allows theses charts to show which polish and pad should be capable of removing the defects (top of the bar) but also the resulting finish of using that combination.



EXAMPLE: The paint is in condition 10. This would be heavily scratched, with deep penetrating defects or even sanded with 2500 grit. These defects have serious depth. If we are working on medium paint we could use a Lake Country Purple Foamed wool pad in combination with Menzerna POS34a Power Gloss.



This would leave the paint in a condition of roughly 6. Menzerna PO203 Power Finish and a Tangerine H20 Pad should clean up the residual marks left behind from the first step while leaving the finish at roughly a 3. 3 would represent very very fine (sometimes invisible) marks that could benefit from a final polish.



From here we could choose Menzerna PO106fa and a Lake Country Black Finishing pad to bring the car to a perfect luster.



Power Gloss Compound​



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Power Gloss is a nice cutting compound that is recommended for use with a rotary polisher. Power Gloss is very effective at removing sanding scratches, deep swirl marks, and other extensive damage.

Cut: High

Finish: Moderate

Dusting: Moderate

Filling Potential: Low

Ease of Use: High



PO83q 'Super' Intensive Polish​



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Old Label Chart



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'Super' Intensive Polish is an amazing polish which can remove moderate to severe defects and finish out to super high gloss with very little swirl. 'Super' Intensive Polish features a super thick lubricant which can cause problems on certain paints or in certain climates. The lubricant can be difficult to remove fully as well, leading to unintentional filling.

Cut: Moderate-High

Finish: Good

Dusting: Minimal

Filling Potential: Moderate

Ease of Use: Moderate



PO203 Menzerna Power Finish​



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Power Finish is a great one step polish, particularly for light colored vehicles. It is a based on a hybrid formulation similar to Super Intensive Polish and PO106fa and creates a cut and finish in between those two. The thick carrier oils can be difficult to remove.

Cut: Moderate

Finish: Good

Dusting: Minimal

Filling Potential: Moderate

Ease of Use: Moderate



PO91e Intensive Polish





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Intensive Polish is one of the original polishes introduced by Proper Auto Care in 2002. While no longer the class leader in cutting or finishing ability, Intensive Polish still has many desirable features. It will work well on all paint types, delivering consistent results with out any unwanted reactions. The dusting of the polish acts to keep spent paint from contaminating the pad, making Intensive Polish ideal for oxidized or heavily weathered paint, as well as single stage enamels and lacquers.

Cut: Moderate

Finish: Moderate-Good

Dusting: Moderate-High

Filling Potential: Low

Ease of Use: High



PO106ff/PO106fa

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106ff was Menzerna's finishing polish answer to modern ceramic clear coats. This polish has enough cut to tackle light swirl marks and finish most paints to the highest level. The thicker lubricant system in 106ff can cause light filling and cause some issues on particularly soft paint systems. Menzerna tweaked the lubricant formula slightly to better hold the abrasives in the pad, reducing dusting, in 106fa. It should be noted that these polishes use the finest abrasive of any Menzerna polish.

Cut: Moderate-Light

Finish: Very Good

Dusting: Moderate(106ff) Light(106fa)

Filling Potential: Moderate-Low

Ease of Use: High



PO87mc Final Polish II





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PO87mc Final Polish II is a great, easy to use polish that finishes exceptionally well on all paint systems and wipes off easily. Final Polish II breaks down quicker then the other Menzerna finishing polishes, making it an ideal choice when a time deadline is near.

Cut: Light

Finish: Very Good

Dusting: Low

Filling Potential: Low

Ease of Use: High



PO85rd Final Polish





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Even though PO85rd was replaced by 106ff/fa in European automobile factories, detailers and enthusiast found this polish to be one of the best final step polishes in existence. It is commonly used as a 'jeweling' polish to enhance the gloss of already great looking paint and create ultra sharp reflections and incredible gloss on all paint systems.

Cut: Light

Finish: Very Good

Dusting: Low

Filling Potential: Low

Ease of Use: High
 
Todd, thanks for embedding that, it looks very useful. A couple of questions. One is that your "official" cut and gloss ratings vary slightly from the previously linked AG chart, the kind of slight variation that I've noticed before when international members have posted/linked European charts. Is this because Menz keeps tweaking the product, or just tweaking their ratings? Or some other reason?



Second, I notice that for the FPII and the PO85rd you show black and red pads, but for the PO106fa you show only black. Do you not show the red for the PO106fa because you don't recommend it? Or simply because it is capable of higher cut and the 5 pad colors you chose were skewed more towards cutting? Also, you seem to infer that the red pad is less aggressive than the black where both are shown together, which seems opposite from the order shown in your pad key. Or am I misunderstanding? I admit to some confusion between the 4 (I think) colors of LC finishing pads, and the proper use of each, so maybe that's my problem.



PS I have an early bottle of the Blackfire SRC Finishing Polish, which I'm hoping to finally use soon. Which, if any, of those Menz charts which would be most applicable to my pad selection? Thanks again.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Todd, thanks for embedding that, it looks very useful. A couple of questions. One is that your "official" cut and gloss ratings vary slightly from the previously linked AG chart, the kind of slight variation that I've noticed before when international members have posted/linked European charts. Is this because Menz keeps tweaking the product, or just tweaking their ratings? Or some other reason?
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Thank you Setec for the compliments. At the very least I hope the charts are cool to look at and help some people with their questions. The Menzerna USA ratings are different then Menzerna of Germany ratings for identical products. My understanding is that only the PowerGloss Compound is different between Europe and here, but it also carries a different part number (POS100 vs. POS34a). I would think that the USA ratings tend to be a little more accurate, but I find that neither provides much overly useful information about how the products work on different paints or the results that can be expected with various pads.



Second, I notice that for the FPII and the PO85rd you show black and red pads, but for the PO106fa you show only black. Do you not show the red for the PO106fa because you don't recommend it? Or simply because it is capable of higher cut and the 5 pad colors you chose were skewed more towards cutting?
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I honestly ran out of room on the chart. Generally 106fa/ff is a little more versatile of a polish (because of its extra cut) and I know of some people who will use it as a light-medium corrective polish in addition to a finishing polish. As you said I skewed the pad choices to be slightly more aggressive to cover all ends of the spectrum. You can use 106ff/fa on a red pad, although if the paint was that soft (that you got a noticeable increase in gloss from the red) you might get a better finish from the less aggressive finishing polishes.



Also, you seem to infer that the red pad is less aggressive than the black where both are shown together, which seems opposite from the order shown in your pad key. Or am I misunderstanding? I admit to some confusion between the 4 (I think) colors of LC finishing pads, and the proper use of each, so maybe that's my problem.
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The red pads are less aggressive then the black pads. As many times as I double (and triple, and quadrople) checked the charts I never noticed the error in the pad key. I will correct it though and thank you for pointing it out.

PS I have an early bottle of the Blackfire SRC Finishing Polish, which I'm hoping to finally use soon. Which, if any, of those Menz charts which would be most applicable to my pad selection? Thanks again.
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As weird as this is, I don't think forum rules would allow to me answer it. The only reason I left the PAC watermarks in the original charts was because I don't want people to think that these are 'official' Menzerna or MenzernaUSA charts. My understanding is that I am free to talk about Menzerna (or Meguiar's, or Optimum, or whatever) because they are not exclusive brands that we manufacture and they are carried by forum sponsors here.
 
TH0001- Ah, more good Menzerna info :D Thanks from me, too.



And I appreciate how you're bending over backwards to avoid breaking any forum rules, must be a bit of a hassle....



Setec Astronomy- I too have an old bottle of the BF finishing polish. I can't remember which of the 106 twins it's supposed to be :confused:



EDIT: based on how it did *NOT* do the "106FF concealing" the few times I've used it, I'd lean towards saying it's 106FA. BTW, it seems to finish out nicely *on hard clear* with the Griot's orange, which isn't the mildest pad in the world.
 
TH0001 said:
As weird as this is, I don't think forum rules would allow to me answer it.
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I understand.



Accumulator said:
Setec Astronomy- I too have an old bottle of the BF finishing polish. I can't remember which of the 106 twins it's supposed to be :confused:



EDIT: based on how it did *NOT* do the "106FF concealing" the few times I've used it, I'd lean towards saying it's 106FA. BTW, it seems to finish out nicely *on hard clear* with the Griot's orange, which isn't the mildest pad in the world.
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Apparently it was the FF, although as you can see from the thread, I wasn't entirely satisfied with the answer, as it didn't match up quite right with the (seemingly always changing) published Menzerna info. http://www.autopia.org/forum/car-de.../67115-new-blackfire-polish-4.html#post730693 I've been a litte hesitant to use it on softer clears, perhaps I'll just stick with FPII as TH0001 suggests (I don't have PO85RD).
 
TH0001 said:
Thank you Setec for the compliments. At the very least I hope the charts are cool to look at and help some people with their questions. The Menzerna USA ratings are different then Menzerna of Germany ratings for identical products. My understanding is that only the PowerGloss Compound is different between Europe and here, but it also carries a different part number (POS100 vs. POS34a). I would think that the USA ratings tend to be a little more accurate, but I find that neither provides much overly useful information about how the products work on different paints or the results that can be expected with various pads.
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Todd, S34A and POS100 is two different compounds, but we still have the "old powergloss", IE S34A in Europe. POS100 is IMO much better then S34A.

I am waiting for a bottle of S500 Fast gloss. It will cut faster, harder and finish off better then POS100.:woot:



Worth to mention that I dont think that the POS100 will be released in the US due to the VOC regulations. I am not sure about the S500, but I will keep you guys posted.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
...Apparently [the older BF polish] was the FF...
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Huh...well, then I'm glad I got all the marring out before I switched to that (fears of concealing). Funny...it didn't seem all that oily, nor did it seem to have much cut :nixweiss
 
My second try with the S500 with pics:



- Before: Sanding marks left in the body shop:



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- S500 fully worked with Makita 9227C and orange Detailers Domain 5.5" pad:



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- All cleaned with 1z Acrysol:



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In one pass, all the marks were removed quite easy. I really love this compound. Then I used PO203S and green Detailers Domain 5.5" pad to remove the micromarring leaving a great finish.

Cheers !!
 
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