SpoiledMan
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How about straight alcohol?
Menzerna SIP and 106FF = Holy Grail!
- Thread starter Rob Tomlin
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imported_DennisH
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rydawg said:
That is just the opposite of what Menzerna told me that the preferred method was Prep Sol but alcohol wipe would work in the absents of Prep Sol. Also Dupont paints recommends a Prep Sol wipe to removing polishing oils or other commandants prior to painting. I would think if Prep Sol will remove sealants like Z, DG, or OS it wouldn’t have a problem with residue left by Menzerna.
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
Menzerna polishes do not fill, period! The only filling products from Menzerna are the glaze APO60 and the wax PO73. All other polishes are for use in bodyshop environments, so they do not contain silicone or clay fillers. What some see is the improper break-down of the polish, and/or any residual waxes which can lead to a filling type of senerio.
If you experience "filling" then A) you're not breaking down the polish fully or B) there is residual wax or other product left on the finish.
Menzerna polishes for Ceramiclears were really designed for spot repairs/correction while on the assembly line/off line and these manufactures were specificly trained by Menzerna and PPG on what type of tool, pad, rotation speed, pressure, duration etc to correct a finish.
Outside of this, using Menzerna does have a learning curve to use correctly. But once one can grasp the proper use of it (tool,pad, pressure, duration etc) then you'll have the best finishing capabilities.
I came from a very heavy 3M shop, to Menzerna after one of the owners got samples prior to Ceramiclears, and we were learing this product. Once learned, it was outstanding, and we ditched the 3M. Once the Ceramiclears started to arrive, we had Menzerna ship the product for us to test on "test fenders/hoods" that we shot with the new finish as per Mercedes spec. It took some time to master, but again, we were all blown away with the result.
In the end, it was all Menzerna exclusivly including the glaze.
For non professional use, it can act in strange ways if not used with the correct pads/tools. If some remember the issues with Final Polish years ago which lead to FPII for "consumer type" use and other formulations from Menzerna for hobby use. Such as the Blackfire SRF polish which is licensed from Menzerna. More geared to hobby use and not so much pro use.
In any event, there are other polishes out there and so far none has impressed me as much as Menzerna has. German engineering does have an advantage in abrasive technology!
Maybe one day Menzerna will offer "Webinars" and other trade specific training for both pro and hobby use. Until this happens, it's still trial and error on learning the product just like any other product.
Regards,
Deanski
If you experience "filling" then A) you're not breaking down the polish fully or B) there is residual wax or other product left on the finish.
Menzerna polishes for Ceramiclears were really designed for spot repairs/correction while on the assembly line/off line and these manufactures were specificly trained by Menzerna and PPG on what type of tool, pad, rotation speed, pressure, duration etc to correct a finish.
Outside of this, using Menzerna does have a learning curve to use correctly. But once one can grasp the proper use of it (tool,pad, pressure, duration etc) then you'll have the best finishing capabilities.
I came from a very heavy 3M shop, to Menzerna after one of the owners got samples prior to Ceramiclears, and we were learing this product. Once learned, it was outstanding, and we ditched the 3M. Once the Ceramiclears started to arrive, we had Menzerna ship the product for us to test on "test fenders/hoods" that we shot with the new finish as per Mercedes spec. It took some time to master, but again, we were all blown away with the result.
In the end, it was all Menzerna exclusivly including the glaze.
For non professional use, it can act in strange ways if not used with the correct pads/tools. If some remember the issues with Final Polish years ago which lead to FPII for "consumer type" use and other formulations from Menzerna for hobby use. Such as the Blackfire SRF polish which is licensed from Menzerna. More geared to hobby use and not so much pro use.
In any event, there are other polishes out there and so far none has impressed me as much as Menzerna has. German engineering does have an advantage in abrasive technology!
Maybe one day Menzerna will offer "Webinars" and other trade specific training for both pro and hobby use. Until this happens, it's still trial and error on learning the product just like any other product.
Regards,
Deanski
Deanski
STUTTGART'S FINEST
This also reminds me of when I was taking delivery of the Porsche.
The dealers detailing crew are highly trained by 3M and do know their stuff as to minor correction. I've seen them work and how they take the time for proper finishing.
I dropped off a bottle of PO85RD for them to use on the car. When I went to see how it was going, they didn't like it and claimed it cut too much. OK, let's see what happened.
What I found was they were using the wrong pad and speed on a rotary. I then asked if I can show them the proper use of it while in their shop, which they agreed.
Once they viewed and had the chance to use it on my car, they were amazed at the results, and it did take some re-learning that 3M has burned into the minds of these guys.
They have to hide the Menzerna whenever 3M comes to visit, but still have some left over and use it very sparingly whenever they want to bring up a finish instead of using glaze.
So it goes to show that even highly trained techs can still have an issue with this product.
Deanski
The dealers detailing crew are highly trained by 3M and do know their stuff as to minor correction. I've seen them work and how they take the time for proper finishing.
I dropped off a bottle of PO85RD for them to use on the car. When I went to see how it was going, they didn't like it and claimed it cut too much. OK, let's see what happened.
What I found was they were using the wrong pad and speed on a rotary. I then asked if I can show them the proper use of it while in their shop, which they agreed.
Once they viewed and had the chance to use it on my car, they were amazed at the results, and it did take some re-learning that 3M has burned into the minds of these guys.
They have to hide the Menzerna whenever 3M comes to visit, but still have some left over and use it very sparingly whenever they want to bring up a finish instead of using glaze.
So it goes to show that even highly trained techs can still have an issue with this product.
Deanski
imported_rydawg1
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Deanski said:
You said it the best!!! I have lots of pros calling, emailing, pm'ing me and I tell them all the time that every product has a different technique, whether it is speed, product amount, correct pad, etc... Sometimes the littlest thing can be overlooked.
It's not just Menzerna, it's EVERY product out there.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
Deanski said:
Interesting.
As I said in the original post, I found SIP to be quite easy to use with a 5.5 inch low profile orange pad on a PC. I didn't have any issues with the polish breaking down, and the working time seemed just right.
White lexus 23
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sip is truly amazing on black cars.
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
White lexus 23 said:
....and not too bad on Yellow either!
Deep Gloss Auto Salon
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White lexus 23 said:
SIP has amazed me on every car of every color that i have used it on..
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
MotorCity said:
Glad to hear it, because I will be using it on my Silver Lotus and wifes Gray SUV here in the next few weeks!
I'm actually looking forward to it. :buffing:
SuperBee364
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Picus said:
Now that's just funny right there... old post or not.
Haven't seen Picus around lately...
wannafbody
wannafbody
What about some Jack Daniels in a spray bottle? Will that work? Might be a good way to kill 2 birds with one stone:scared:
imported_Picus
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SuperBee364 said:
<----- like a ninja.
:laugh:
fwiw, I still use 106ff on almost every car I detail. Yes, I am still detailing, just very, very, very busy. More posts soon I promise!
SuperBee364
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Good, we're gonna hold you to it.
SVR
Dream Machines
85RD finishing polish should be included in that holy grail list
Just finished a correction detail on a 2004 MG ZR (black with light purple metallic) and the paint was so soft that 106 with a white pad removed all the defects
I moved to a green pad for the roof and bonnet
Followed that with 85RD and black pad on them and the look was insane
Just finished a correction detail on a 2004 MG ZR (black with light purple metallic) and the paint was so soft that 106 with a white pad removed all the defects
I moved to a green pad for the roof and bonnet
Followed that with 85RD and black pad on them and the look was insane
MSOsr
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SIP and 106FF......where can you purchase? Do they go by other names?
Mike
Mike
Rob Tomlin
Lotus Exige S
MSOsr said:
Menzerna Super Intensive Polish
Menzerna Nano Polish