Menzerna PO106FF and RMG Mix

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Last weekend I made some great progress with Menzerna IP and the CMA Orange Power pad. I have ordered some PO106FF and RMG and hope the clear the rest of the issues up. The question I have is about 70/30 mix I keep reading about. Are you guys doing this just to control dusting or does the RMG enhance the effectiveness of the PO106FF? The reason I ask is that I plan on following the 106FF/RMG with the Klasse AIO using the CMA Green German pad, so I understand that any of the fillers in the glaze will be removed. Just want to make sure I understand what you guys have obviously had great success with.
 
Dust control and more depth. 106 has a really clear, bright and wet finish but depth isn't great. RMG noticably improves 106 in this area to me.
 
Scottwax said:
Dust control and more depth. 106 has a really clear, bright and wet finish but depth isn't great. RMG noticably improves 106 in this area to me.
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Will I be removing that depth from the RMG when I follow up with the K-AIO? I am looking forward to less dust. Last weekends IP adventure was very dusty. But I was very happy with the turn out.
 
I wanted to finish with FMJ and was under the impression that the RMG may cause issues with the FMJ bonding. I hope I am wrong, that's why I want someone to set me straight. I need a good ole' schooling on this. :)
 
4mo said:
I wanted to finish with FMJ and was under the impression that the RMG may cause issues with the FMJ bonding. I hope I am wrong, that's why I want someone to set me straight. I need a good ole' schooling on this. :)
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i too have the same question on the 106FF/RMG mix. I'm looking to use a polymer/acrylic sealant. Will the RMG mix affect the bonding properties of the polymer/acrylic sealant?
 
I agree with all of Scott's comments thus far as they've been my findings, too.





Regarding the FMJ bonding, think about it like this:



RMG isn't loaded with silicone-oils. You can just tell by matching it with other oily glazes. IMO, it's more of a gloss/depth enhancer. Furthermore, FTG is used many times before FMJ and is recommended by Menzerna/CMA.



I, honeslty, would not worry a whole lot about the bonding.
 
It seems to me that adding RMG to 106ff increases the working time of 106ff. I pretty much mix RMG with all of the menzerna polishes I use. The only one I have not tried yet is FPII.
 
Scottwax said:
Why are you following with AIO?



I think you'd be removing at least some of the depth with AIO.
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I'm also in agreement with Scott's aforementioned comments - don't waste your time with AIO - two reasons. 1) PO106FF will finish down better (leave a better surface) than AIO even though it probably has 3 times the cut! 2) I have never noticed any bonding issues with RMG & FMJ; I've tested this using panel by panel comparative testing and have never notived a difference longevity-wise. And besides, the level of RMG left behind is very very minimal with the 70/30 mix.
 
gmblack3a said:
It seems to me that adding RMG to 106ff increases the working time of 106ff. I pretty much mix RMG with all of the menzerna polishes I use. The only one I have not tried yet is FPII.
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Yeah, there isn't a huge benefit to adding RMG to FPII, as it already has longer working time and less dust than Menzerna's other products (via rotary I get virtually zero dust). However, via PC...adding a small amount (10-15%) of RMG for PC does improve the polish slightly, IMO.
 
RAG said:
Yeah, there isn't a huge benefit to adding RMG to FPII, as it already has longer working time and less dust than Menzerna's other products (via rotary I get virtually zero dust). However, via PC...adding a small amount (10-15%) of RMG for PC does improve the polish slightly, IMO.
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Thanks for the info. :2thumbs:
 
Thanks for the info guy's. The only reason I was thinking of the AIO was to prevent any bonding issues with FMJ. The 106ff and RMG should be here this week and plan on giving it a run on Saturday.



Thanks again for all your help
 
have you guys ever mixed optimun polish with PO106ff to extend usage and cut down dusting ?? i have all the Menzerna products but we dont get RMG in Aus as far as im aware.
 
gmblack3a said:
It seems to me that adding RMG to 106ff increases the working time of 106ff. I pretty much mix RMG with all of the menzerna polishes I use. The only one I have not tried yet is FPII.
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But I don't understand why people mix for example Power Gloss + RMG. When you're cutting you have to see the shape of the surface. After a cutting pass, if you have RMG in the cutting polish, fillers will mask the results and you coldn't see the reality.
 
I agree with this approach. 106 and RMG are awesome. Don't worry about dust. I use Meg. #5 alot and I just deal with this dust because I know what the octcome will be like.



4mo said:
After reading the other posts I am just going from 106FF/RMG straight to FMJ.
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maesal said:
But I don't understand why people mix for example Power Gloss + RMG. When you're cutting you have to see the shape of the surface. After a cutting pass, if you have RMG in the cutting polish, fillers will mask the results and you coldn't see the reality.
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Word. Then you have to do a iso wipedown to see what defects thats are left on the paint. And I never had any problem with dusting either. The new PO85RD3.02 and PO85RE5 dust zero.
 
When you are using 30% or less of RMG the filling properties are minimal. I am not using it for its filling properties, rather to increase the working time and cut down on the dust. If I am applying something like zaino for a LSP I always do a 50/50 wipedown. If you have some RMG give it a try with PG and then do a 50/50 wipedown, let us know if any filling is going on.
 
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