Menzerna Intensive Polish vs. 1Z Ultimate Polish

I have not used 1Z but I thank David B and Terry @ CMA for introducing us to Menzerna IP and FP. Adding these 2 products to my polishing regimen ( 3M HC, Meg DAPC, IP and FP) has ultimized my results with zero hazing on BLACk. :shocked

I would say IP is medium in cutting power with LC yellow pad. Slightly less than DACP from my experience.

I can not emphasize how well the Menzerna duet works with PC and in combination with my other products and ever increasing skills. :bounce



Sorry Mantic6t9, that I can't give you a comparison but I found that technique (PC) practice, patiences ( spend 3 leisurely hours working just a hood last night) and a combination of quality products ( lack of fillers and oils) works best for me.





PS. Thanks Brad ;)
 
I thoroughly agree with blkZ28Conv.



I have had fantastic results with the menzerna IP and FP duo using the PC. I cannot make the comparison, but I can say that I am fantastically satisfied with the menzerna roducts. they are high-quality, no-frills products that have just the bare essentials for true polishing (no oils or fillers, water-based)



-Tom
 
I have the IP and FP too but couldn't remove light scratches on a white and a black finish with a PC. They do seem to stick to the finish sometimes but it's easily removed with alcohol. I do like the shine the FP leaves behind and if any product is stuck to the surface upon removing, there is no hazing of the paint. once the product is totally removed . I don't know, maybe 1z will give me better results? But if I understand the 1z line correctly, sounds like it contains fillers. Hmm.
 
Bill D said:
...But if I understand the 1z line correctly, sounds like it contains fillers. Hmm.
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Yeah, the 1Z polishes contain oils and SEEM to probably contain some fillers. No, I didn't do the alcohol-spritzer bit to find out for sure, but going over it with AIO didn't make a bunch of marring come back, either. The Metallic Polish actually contains some WAX, so that probably acts as a filler. No, it does NOT cause any bonding issues with anything I've topped it with.



The Paint Polish really does remove marring through mechanical/abrasive action (as does the Metallic, but that stuff is just SO mild..). Any fillers it (the PP) leaves are MINIMAL. I DO NOT see any marring (that might've been covered/filled) coming back. It does NOT seem to be a "3M SMR-type of fillers" situation.
 
Well the situation i'm in is i need something a little more abrasive then the 1Z PP and from what i'm reading it's a pretty robust polish. I'm a little apprehencive about it but if i just used it one time and followed it up with the 1Z PP and all my swirls were gone i would be a happy man.
 
Mantic6t9 said:
Well the situation i'm in is i need something a little more abrasive then the 1Z PP and from what i'm reading it's a pretty robust polish. I'm a little apprehencive about it but if i just used it one time and followed it up with the 1Z PP and all my swirls were gone i would be a happy man.
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*I* would NOT call the PP "robust". 3M's PI-III MG (pn 05937) is even a little more aggressive than the PP (*IMO*), at least when used aggressively with a cutting pad. And *I* find THAT (the MG) a bit mild for any SERIOUS swirls. *I* wouldn't worry about using a more aggressive product on VERY rare occasions to get the paint the way you plan to keep it.



FWIW, with the 1Z Ultra, PI-II FCRC (pn 39002), PI-III RC (05933), PI-III MG, Hi-Temp's Lite Cut, and additional others on hand, I *STILL* often wonder which one is gonna be right for different applications! You ARE gonna need something stronger than the PP, so take your pick.
 
LOL sorry the way i worded my sentance made it sound like i was talking about the PP. What i ment to say was 1Z Ultra Polish seems pretty robust. This is why i'm a little apprehencive about using it. Then again if i only use it once and it works i don't see any harm in that.
 
I've decided the 1z line seems distinct enough now that it is worth adding to my assortment sooner or later. Hoping this stuff can be especially effective on fingernail scratches that could occur under the door handles. I have a few now and have prevented any more by installing clear,static cling type protectors under all four handles. I'm thinking of getting the Acrysol too to removed my SG first before tackling any light scratches or is there something better/easier to get that will do just as well?



As always, thanks very much Accumulator. Your input is golden!:bow
 
Bill,

Most polishes, especially those with abrasives, will remove the SG ( Zaino, BF, UPP, etc) during the surface marring repair (buffing). No real need to add a de-sealant step. IMO.

Edwin
 
Accumulator said:
Yeah, the 1Z polishes contain oils and SEEM to probably contain some fillers. No, I didn't do the alcohol-spritzer bit to find out for sure, but going over it with AIO didn't make a bunch of marring come back, either. The Metallic Polish actually contains some WAX, so that probably acts as a filler. No, it does NOT cause any bonding issues with anything I've topped it with.



The Paint Polish really does remove marring through mechanical/abrasive action (as does the Metallic, but that stuff is just SO mild..). Any fillers it (the PP) leaves are MINIMAL. I DO NOT see any marring (that might've been covered/filled) coming back. It does NOT seem to be a "3M SMR-type of fillers" situation.
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So, you found that the AIO did not uncover any of the scratches/marring that the 1z removed? Thanks, Mark.
 
Bill D- Your doorhandle-proximity scratches are a good example of what 1Z's Ultra is for. I had a few on the S8 (grrr, they weren't from MY fingernails, or Accumulatorette's either) and the PP would sorta SMOOTH them, but the Ultra REMOVED them to the extent I was comfortable doing it (a couple were sorta deep and I prefer imperfect original paint as opposed to perfect but thinned/repainted). I believe it would've really removed them all if I had kept at it.



I applied the Ultra by hand with a MF (fairly mild compared to a cutting pad, but I was doing it AGGRESSIVELY). Did a few passes by hand with the PP to remove the micromarring.



As blkZ28Conv said, no need to remove the sealant with a solvent, etc. Just cut through it with your polish.



Silver323i-
So, you found that the AIO did not uncover any of the scratches/marring that the 1z removed? Thanks, Mark.
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I'd better qualify that lest you get the wrong impression. Tried the AIO after 1Z on two cars. Car #1 had some marring I did NOT completely remove. It didn't look WORSE after the AIO, at least to ME. Car #2 was virtually marring-free, so I wouldn't have expected to see anything anyhow. The best I can do is repeat that it's not quite the same as filler-heavy SMRs/glazes where EVERYTHING you though you'd removed comes back. The 1Z Paint Polish really will abrade away MINOR marring. I use the PP (after Ultra, if needed, and it usually IS if you can clearly see the problems) until things look the way I want them to. THEN use the Metallic. The 1Z Metallic is just SO mild that it might be considered more of a "glaze-like" product, something like GEPC or VM.



Sorry, don't intend to equivocate, but it's sorta tough to remember/extrapolate from/explain my experiences with this stuff as well as I'd like to. Sorta a case of until you've used the 1Z products you won't really know if they're right for you. For ME, they work very well on Audis, that much I *CAN* say.



Actually, I continue to use 3M PI-III MG on the cars I put Klasse on. I just did a little experimenting on some other people's cars while I had them. You're really NOT gonna go wrong with ANY of the "regularly accepted" polishes. *I* like that the 1Z products wipe right off with no residue and stay wet while I work them.
 
Hello again Accumulator,



Sounds like the Paint Polish and Ultra Paint Polish would be best for me as I have stuff similar to the Metallic, like GEPC, already.



Glad this stuff works so well on Audis, and I assume all other German finishes?



Thanks again!
 
I've been using the PP and Metallic this week to repair some minor swirls before applying AIO and KSG. I don't have a PC yet and they seem, IMO, to work much better by hand than any of the otehr products that get a lot reviews here. Both my vehicles are in good shape so I do not get the Ultra. They both seem to stay wet a little longer whick lets you work them well which may be why they work well for me.
 
Well i decided to go ahead and get the 1Z Ultra Polish to try it out. I'll follow it up with the PP and menzerna FP.



I've been told it may be best to apply the Ultra by hand. But thought i might try it with my PC and a white pad. What do you think?
 
The Ultra Polish is pretty agressive. I'd try it by hand first. You won't do any lasting damage if you use it with a PC and a cutting pad -- it may be aggressive, but it's not that agressive -- but a hand application might be all you need.



If that doesn't work, you can always try the PC. I have used Ultra Polish with a wool pad and a Meguiar's red cutting pad without doing any damage to paint. It sure removes swirls and scratches!
 
Thanks. I'm going to try it by hand first and see if the PC is needed. It looks like the previous owner washed the fenders in a back and forth vertical motion with all his weight on it and there are alot of scratches there. I hope i can get most of them out. My order from the Autopia shop just came in and i can't wait to get off work to try all my new goodies out lol.....
 
I've tried the 1z ultra paint polish on my black Honda by hand. It was pretty aggressive and removed many swirls. It left a little haze that had to be buffed out. So if you plan on using it, plan on using a finer polish afterwards to get the haze out.
 
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