Menzerna Final Polish Tricks

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Just received FP and searched archives for hints/tips. What I did find was more than a few threads stating that it was kind of a pain to use.



The paint is in good shape, I was just hoping to get a more mirror like finish with the FP and to prep the paint for the AIO/SG.



Any hints or tricks when using FP with a PC to get the results I want? I may just begin with AIO......



Thanks!
 
I use it with a White pad by Lake Country until it breaks down, usually wipe it off easily with my Pakshak MF within 10 minutes or so.
 
Ok, I find this annoying.



When people say break down, what do they mean?



At what point do i know the polish has broken down?



Say what happens when Meguiars hand polish breaks down?
 
I have used IP & FP and don't find it a pian. If you let the IP go to long it is trickie but use the 50/50 water alcohol mix to remove it. The FP comes right off
 
In my experience, both IP and FP dry in a hurry, so apply them on a nice cool surface and don't let them sit on the paint too long, ESPECIALLY FP, or they'll be difficult to remove. I know some people have found these products easy to use, but I think the nickname "Gluezerna" is well-earned. IP does leave a very nice, glassy surface, but I couldn't get FP to do much of anything (using a PC). I think CMA has kind of over-hyped these products a bit, as they tend to do. And the 50-50 water/alchohol ritual is a nuissance (that they even advise that tells you the stuff doesn't come off very easily).
 
If you work the FP with the PC at a speed of 3, slowly breaking it almost till it's gone, it'll be easy to wipe off just with a dry MF.

I hate that 50/50 idea :confused:
 
Any recommendations on a product that would do the job easier or better than the FP? I was looking for a product that would add a little extra shine to the paint - but without the oils, because I'm using the AIO/SG.



The paint really is in good shape. A spider web or two that can only be seen at the right angle with the right light, nothing that I would really worry about.



I just read a few posts where the FP hurt more than it helped.
 
What other posts have people saying that FP "hurt"? I thought I was one of the only ones that didn't get good results from FP. I used SSR1 instead. It is easier to work with. However, I think the results were "similar" to FP. In my case, it seemed to add a small haze to the paint. My current hypothesis is that if the paint is not "ready" for the final polishing that you will get this effect. Similar to another person, I was able to get a very glassy surface with the Intensive polish by buffing it till it was gone. It is not hard to remove, especially if you use a flannel cloth (remember those?). I have a white car, so it is hard to tell what is really going on. However, I feel that IP has the ability to "burnish" whereas the FP or SSR1 do not.
 
chrisd said:
I know some people have found these products easy to use, but I think the nickname "Gluezerna" is well-earned. IP does leave a very nice, glassy surface, but I couldn't get FP to do much of anything (using a PC). I think CMA has kind of over-hyped these products a bit, as they tend to do. And the 50-50 water/alchohol ritual is a nuissance (that they even advise that tells you the stuff doesn't come off very easily).
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If used properly Menzerna products are very user friendly. If one follows the directions, which specifies to only do small (2'x2') areas at a time and completely allow product to be worked into the surface. This results in very little residual to remove which normally (with practice), wipe off easily with a 100% cotton towel or MF.

Could this be another case of user's lack of skill and experience level blaming the tool? :nixweiss

Don't blame the hammer when the artisan lacks the skills to hammer the nail. :nono:
 
blkz28conv , you've hit the nail on the head. I've been using Menzerna for almost a year now and at first I shelved it because of these problems. I went back and gave it a second try and followed the directions and it worked great, now it's all I use for Zaino prep. Don't get me wrong put alittle to much on and it will be difficult to remove but it is a professional product so less is better.
 
Have used IP and FP couple of times on both of my cars, have had nothing but great results...



Working on a 2'x2' area, apply two thin lines of product to paint. I sprinkle a small amount of water on the paint, about 5 dime size drops (just don't flood the area).



Smear the product around with the pad (PC off). With PC on 4, go over the 2'x2' area slowly with steady, light pressure, allow PC to work while ensuring that you are covering all of the area 5 or 6 times (figure 8's, back and forth, etc) over 1 to 2 minutes. Work the PC until you see the product getting powderly looking (if in doubt, turn off PC, run a finger through the haze on paint, does it look and feel dry?)



Now turn off PC, spray a 50/50 mixture of alcohol and water on the area, wipe with MF towel.......WOW, it looks great!!:xyxthumbs



Follow with AIO and topping of your choice!
 
Whenever I've used FP I put a small ring of the product just inside the inner foam ring of the LC/CMA contoured white pad. I work it until it is powered and almost invisible on the paint and dry. Just use a MF to wipe it off, no 50/50 required. Wipe until there is only squeek coming off the paint [literally], then hit it once more with a clean dry MF.
 
Gonzo said:
Whenever I've used FP I put a small ring of the product just inside the inner foam ring of the LC/CMA contoured white pad. I work it until it is powered and almost invisible on the paint and dry. Just use a MF to wipe it off, no 50/50 required. Wipe until there is only squeek coming off the paint [literally], then hit it once more with a clean dry MF.
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THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS . :bow
 
I love the stuff on my black cars. Used properly, all of the aforementioned problems are nonexistant, and I've yet to use anything better.



-Tom
 
blkZ28Conv said:


Could this be another case of user's lack of skill and experience level blaming the tool?
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Could this be another case of someone being a jerk by publicly insulting the skill level of another member? Geez, this aspect of Autopia is annoying! Maybe you are a "contributing member", but those types of remarks don't "contribute" to anything constructive. I was simply trying to help the questioner by providing my experience. Do you think I made up the term "Gluezerna"? Do a search, for God's sake. Many people have had problems removing Menzerna. And I've had success using other products that some people complain about, but I don't call these people incompetent. People have different experiences and different preferences.



blkZ28Conv said:


Don't blame the hammer when the artisan lacks the skills to hammer the nail.
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I'll put my skills up against yours any day of the week, hammer boy.
 
chrisd , I do not think blackZ28conv was calling anyone incompetent we all have to learn how to use new products. I've been detailing professionally for years now and the first time I used Menzerna I had problem with removal but after trying it again with different technics I find it to be a very useful product.



As far as finding any aspect of Autopia annoying , no one is making you stay. Also for not liking blackZ28conv remarks you sure are fast to dish your own unconstuctive remarks out.



As far as your challange of skill I say bring it on, thats how we all learn, from challenging ourselves and acepting others challenge's.
 
Don't forget your public put down of Menzerna and CMA.:nono: That what got me going.:mad:

Son, don't waste your time challenging me. I have been detailing longer than you have been alive.

Plus your inability to use Menzera properly and resistance to finding out why and then blaming the product states your level of skill and intolerance to learning new skills and techniques.



"Many people have problems using Menzerna"



Does the misuse of a product make it a bad product? Or is the user that makes it a bad product?

We are so over-whelmed with our own evaluation of our skills that it must be the product that's at fault.:nixweiss This is not an individual trait of you dude, but most of us including myself. We try something, don't get the results expected and blame the product.

Nevertheless, I have matured enough over many years of detailing (and life in general) that I direct some failures on my inexperience with a product ( and life's experiences) and not the product ( reality). I re-read the instructions, I seek info from other users that have had success and in most cases the so-called over-rated product becomes the wondeful product I thought I had purchased.

Please re-read your thread and evaluation your externalization of your Menzerna experience. Blamed Menzerna and CMA in one very revealing statement of your detailing knowledge and skill.

That is where my attack came from. If you just stated the Menzerna did not work for you and why you did not like this product that would have been accepted and maybe if you read some of the tips and tricks requested by the thread starter, your problem which this fine product would have been solved. Yes, you can get equivalent results ( with the proper tools,technique and skill) from other products but obviously they too did not meet your goals for the ultimate finish. That's why you probably tried Menzerna. Use it properly and maybe with a little patience and the ability to allow the expansion of one's knowledge and skill base with this and other products, the results you receive may increase your pleasures of detailing and some wonderful products available to us for places like CMA.

Have a great day



Sorry chrisfoot did not mean to hi-jack your thread. :o
 
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