Menzerna Final polish II

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Hey guys, I am doing a 2 step with Menzerna Intensive polish, then Final polish II. I am using a PC by the way. Anyway, I am using the orange pad for the Intensive polish. Should I also use the orange pad for the Final polish II? If so, should I do it with a much slower speed, like say 3? Thanks for the help.



EDIT- Also, my Intensive polish gets very dusty. Is this normal? I have witnessed SIP not get dusty at all.
 
The Menzerna chart says white or grey for my Micro Polish, which is supposed to be the same thing as FPII. I used some the other day with a white pad and it was great on 4.5. I was told later that I should have been running at 5 or 5.5.
 
If you are talking about using the same exact pad for different polishes, the answer definitely is No. If you are talking about using different orange pads for the IP and FP, then maybe. But I'd recommend using the less aggressive pad for the final polish (such as LC white pad). Usually works very well after the IP+orange pad combo. Try starting the FP on speed 3, work it up to 4 or 5, then go back down to 3.



IP does tend to dust. Try priming the pad and using less product on the pad. This usually creates less dust, as less product ends up being dusted away while you are polishing. There are Pad conditioners as well, which I think is built on the same idea.
 
automints said:
If you are talking about using the same exact pad for different polishes, the answer definitely is No. If you are talking about using different orange pads for the IP and FP, then maybe. But I'd recommend using the less aggressive pad for the final polish (such as LC white pad). Usually works very well after the IP+orange pad combo. Try starting the FP on speed 3, work it up to 4 or 5, then go back down to 3.



IP does tend to dust. Try priming the pad and using less product on the pad. This usually creates less dust, as less product ends up being dusted away while you are polishing. There are Pad conditioners as well, which I think is built on the same idea.
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I know better than 2 different products on the same pad lol. Thank your for the advice. I actually just bought SIP. I always spray my pad down good before putting more polish on to keep it damp, and that seemed to cut back the dusting a little, but it still dusted like crazy.
 
Use less IP, just a few pea size blobs. Work until it goes clear and oily looking and wipe off. Working too long or with too much IP will dust like crazy. Start with a clean pad and spur it often. Don't let it build up on the pad at all. You should have very little dust with this method. IP with PC tends to dust more.



Finish with FPII with a green (light polish) or blue pad (finishing).
 
Try not to run the pad over edges. Corners, edges and other sharp edges will bring on the dust. But I love the Menz polishes and have come to just accept the dust.



Def. try using less polish. Menz polishes really are a good deal do to the fact that a little go a long way. I usually use SIP more than IP. It seems like I need to use less SIP and still finishes as well as IP
 
If you want to use a slightly more aggressive pad with something very mild, I'd suggest either the Griot's Orange (different from other orange foam pads) or perhaps the new LC Tangerine pad (which is supposedly similar).



While these pads do allow for a fair bit of correction, the almost always finish out just great.
 
The new Hydro pads are pretty sweet. I also like the 5.5 and 4 inch pads for the PC as well when I'm not using my Makita. Use the blue hydro with the IP, and the orange hydro with the FP and you should be set. It would be *similar* to using orange/white LC pads.
 
Everyone is saying to use less product, but I always use a minimum to do something. I use 2 small pea size drops, and cover a good 2x3 area or so. Thanks for all the suggestions.
 
Got_Leather said:
Another thing, anytime I'm on the PC I'm ALWAYS on Speed 6 UNLESS I'm applying Sealant or Wax!! ALWAYS!!
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I tried this out. I am in the middle of a car right now, and speed 6 with almost no pressure I am not geting any dust.
 
Got_Leather said:
Another thing, anytime I'm on the PC I'm ALWAYS on Speed 6 UNLESS I'm applying Sealant or Wax!! ALWAYS!!
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Even with 4" pads? Some of my thicker orange ones got really unstable at 6 :think: I was always Mr. Max-Speed-Always via PC, but those pads just weren't happy that way.



I also got *better* cut from some products (e.g., 1Z PI) at lower speeds, but those were kinda oddball situations.
 
When I used to use a PC I found 6 not very effective. It would make the pad too jiggly. 5 was always perfect.



Everyone is saying to use less product, but I always use a minimum to do something. I use 2 small pea size drops, and cover a good 2x3 area or so. Thanks for all the suggestions.
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Is that with IP or FPII?
 
Alfisti said:
When I used to use a PC I found 6 not very effective. It would make the pad too jiggly. 5 was always perfect.





Is that with IP or FPII?
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That is with IP.



However on speed 6 I managed to break my backing plate.
 
Accumulator said:
Even with 4" pads? Some of my thicker orange ones got really unstable at 6 :think: I was always Mr. Max-Speed-Always via PC, but those pads just weren't happy that way.



I also got *better* cut from some products (e.g., 1Z PI) at lower speeds, but those were kinda oddball situations.
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the weights on the orbital part usually indicate what size they work optimally with
 
impulse922 said:
the weights on the orbital part usually indicate what size they work optimally with
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I've found that I prefer the 6" counterweight with *all* sizes of pads, even the little ones. Using the 5" counterweight didn't help with the instability issue when using smaller pads.



Note that the counterweight for the (original series) PCs were designed around the factory backing plate and a single sheet of (dry) sandpaper, very different from aftermarket plates mounting foam/wool pads that're wet with product.



I suspect this gets overlooked these days now that a) everybody uses PCs to polish vehicles, and b) the PC often even comes with a big foam pad.



Even leaving aside the wet pad/dry paper differences, when we weighed a bunch of various backing plates a few years ago, we found some dramatic differences (sorry, I forget the specifics..) and many of the aftermarket ones were a *lot* heavier than the ones that came on my two PCs (I have one each of the OE 5" and 6" setups).
 
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