Meguiar's New Tech Wax

bretfraz said:
Its not just Mike reputation on the line its Meguiar's too.
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Well, I call em as I see em....



To this date, NXT Tech wax is the best beauty wax I have ever seen. Protection is supposed to be tops also, but as most of you know, protection is very hard to test for.



While I've found all the hype very troubling for many reasons.
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Troubling?





I hope everyone interested in NXT goes out and buys a bottle and takes it for a spin. Then when the hype finally dies down we all can examine the product carefully and methodically. Time will definitely tell whether this stuff is worth a rip or not.
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I’m all for that. Everyone needs to make up their own mind. Like I say, find something you like and use if often.
 
bretfraz said:
Its not just Mike reputation on the line its Meguiar's too.
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Are there any Autopians in the Irvine, CA area that would like to come by and watch a black 1963 Corvette get buffed out this Thursday night here at Meguiar's?



I can't have a lot of people standing around asking me a lot of questions becasue it keeps me from getting the work done, but one or two people would be okay.



I plan on starting at approximately 5:00pm and I'll probably finish after Midnight.



At some point during the process, we can do a demonstration on the hood. Heck, I'll let someone else do the demo, (if they're careful, this isn't my car).



How about your Brett? Are you in the area for the L.A. Auto Show?



Let me know,



mphillips@meguiars.com



Mike
 
Just wanted to toss out another 2 cents. I have read about NXT with great interest, and I don't recall Mike ever making big claims about the durability of this product. He's made it sound like it should have good durability, as one would expect from a polymer.



Mainly it seems the product was focused on being deep, dark, and glossy, and hiding swirls. He has also mentioned it is slick and beads water well. IMO, doing these things well and lasting longer than a carnauba would make it a pretty impressive product. I don't think it was ever said it would set the standard for durability or anything, or would replace all your other products. I think Mike has specifically said it would not do that.
 
Mike Phillips said:


How about your Brett? Are you in the area for the L.A. Auto Show?



Let me know,



mphillips@meguiars.com



Mike
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No, I'm stuck in Atlanta. Steve and Charlie (Roadfly.org guys) were in LA for the show and are now in Detroit for NAIAS.



I wish I still lived in HB sometimes. I'd be at all the Meguiar's events in Irvine. There's nothing I like better than talking detailing with like minded individuals.
 
Aurora40 said:
Just wanted to toss out another 2 cents. I have read about NXT with great interest, and I don't recall Mike ever making big claims about the durability of this product. He's made it sound like it should have good durability, as one would expect from a polymer.



Mainly it seems the product was focused on being deep, dark, and glossy, and hiding swirls. He has also mentioned it is slick and beads water well. IMO, doing these things well and lasting longer than a carnauba would make it a pretty impressive product. I don't think it was ever said it would set the standard for durability or anything, or would replace all your other products. I think Mike has specifically said it would not do that.
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Thanks for pointing that out Aurora40,



The problem with making claims for durability is that the wax manufacture doesn't have any control over all of the factors that determine how long the last will last.



Also, there is a difference between durability, (how long the product is present on the surface), and protection, (how well a product protects the surface from attack or degradation).



The ASTM, (American Standards for Testing and Measurement), have no, none, zilch, standards for car wax durability, and not methods of testing for such.



So claims are just that.



As far as experience goes, I was surprised when after washing the deck lid of the Honda Acura I tested 6 waxes on, after one wash, using Zaino Z7, there was no visible difference in water beading.



In fact, there was no visible difference in appearance.



That taught me that for the most part, one car wash, (at least using Z7), pretty much greatly diminishes both beading and the results achieved by your choice of car wax.



Here's the thread,



http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29022&perpage=18&pagenumber=13



Now perhaps things will be different using different car wash soaps. Also, some people don't wash there cars because they don't get that dirty, for these people, the beauty appearance of anybody's wax will last a long time.



I would also point out, the I notice some people talk about how great the wax of their choice is, but they're not testing like I did, instead they're, Layering, i.e. adding another coating after the wash, or after time and then evaluating.



So people can take from wax comparisons and personal testimonies what they will, but at the end of the day, it will always come down to you and your eyes.



Oh yeah... ease of use, availability, cost, and things like that are important too. I really like the results I'm getting from Tech Wax. I also like the fact that it doesn't need long drying or curing times, it doesn't need any additives, and it doesn't need multiple layers to achieve it's effect. I have been applying two thin coats to just about everything I polish out just for good measure. But, I don't ever really notice any more improvement over one coat.



I also haven't tested layering with this wax, outside of three coats in one session.



I would like to see the results Autopians get when they start to play around and layer this products. Especially those of you with garage queens and such.



Back to work...



Mike
 
Hi there Mike!

I was wondering if there would be a Canadian distribution on Feb. 1st also, or if it's slated for a later date?
 
BigLeegr said:
Hi there Mike!

I was wondering if there would be a Canadian distribution on Feb. 1st also, or if it's slated for a later date?
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That's a good question. I just assumed that it would be the same as the US, but who knows.



Hopefully Canadian Tire will have it. They seem to carry quite a bit of the consumer line.



Bill.
 
Mike,

When is it likely to available in Australia? I know Feb 1 is never going to happen, but when roughly? Would really like to get a good polymer sealant locally. You guys in the US dont know how lucky you have it to be able to get things locally, or at least quite cheaply via mail order. Overseas shipping is horrendous to Australia.....often shipping is as much as what you spend on products if you are just stocking up on small stuff.
 
I cant recall the exact date, but on or around 12-7-03, a group of friends and I were lucky to have the chance to meet with Mike Phillips at Meguiars, in Irvine Ca. I own the S200, that is posted at the begining of the form, that NXT was used on.



As mentioned in an earlier post, Mike took the time and effort to explain to us all about Meguiar's steps of maintaining the paint/finish of your vehicle. The information was not a sales pitch, however a training session, which was greatly appreciated.



I am not a professional detailer, I only take care of my own vehicles and a few friends who also share the passion. With that being said, compared to professionals on this form, my comments may not be as insightful. However, I have tried numerous products from other companies, and have always resorted back to Meguiars.



The NXT has been on my vehicle for approximately 30 days. As Mike indicated, it is tough to tell the durability of any wax. But just a few comments. My vehicle is always garaged, even at work I am lucky to have a in-closed structure to garage my vehicle.



However over the past five days, due do threats against the USa I have worked and slept at LAX International Airport and my vehicle has remained outside during that time. It has rained severl times, we have had 30mph winds at times, and the fall out from the aircraft that is on my vehicle looks like a fine black powder. My vehicle looks black, instead of yellow.



Today I washed my vehicle. I was concerned how the NXT had held up. I know it has been a VERY short time. However my vehicle was as dirty as it has everbeen. To the touch without any products added (ex: final inspection, final detail ....), the surface was as smooth and brillant as the day I had detailed it with Mike at Meguiars. To say I was pleased is an under statment. The deep rich, wet, luster that NXT brougth out in my vehicle is still there.



Again I know it has been a short time period, but so far so good. Thanks again Mike and Meguiars. Mostly Mike, due to the training and information you provided.
 
I am curious about the swirl filling abilities of nxt tech wax. How long does this filling effect last before it washes off, where the swirls become noticeable again?
 
Mike Phillips said:
Quik question... what wax do you use on the above car currently?



Also, is there anyway you can convince this customer's wife to use either a wash mitt, or a sponge?



What does she use for a wash solution also?



Mike
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1. The last two times, I used Swirl Free, Vanilla Moose and Poorboy's EX on it, the time before, when it was caked in hard rust water stains because apparently the water deionizer malfunctioned at their ranch, I used DACP, Vanilla Moose and Carnauba Moose.



2. I doubt it. She just wants to clean it quickly without getting too dirty herself. I've mentioned it to her a few times, and I even saw her husband use the same brush (one with a long handle for cleaning RVs/Buses) on his Bentley up at his office since I was a$$ deep in cleaning his wife's S600 and didn't have time to wash it that day. I mentioned it to him also, and he said "that is what I have you for, to take care of that stuff". Since they have been customers for 10 years now, I'm not really going to push the issue.



3. They use whatever car wash soap he picks up, although they once had Joy dishwashing liquid out by their pressure washer and deionizer tank. I mentioned to him that dish soap will strip the wax right off the paint, so he said he'd get regular car wash soap (which he did).
 
Scottwax said:
2. I doubt it. She just wants to clean it quickly without getting too dirty herself. I've mentioned it to her a few times, and I even saw her husband use the same brush (one with a long handle for cleaning RVs/Buses) on his Bentley up at his office since I was a$$ deep in cleaning his wife's S600 and didn't have time to wash it that day. I mentioned it to him also, and he said "that is what I have you for, to take care of that stuff". Since they have been customers for 10 years now, I'm not really going to push the issue.
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Under these circumstances, no wax is going to hold up. But, here's what I would try, I'll send you the NXT Tech wax, maybe a dedicated bottle just for her car. After washing, only apply the Tech Wax, (unless surface condition warrants surface prep).



Do you have a PC? I have found best results for a finish like hers comes from applying Tech Wax using a PC. The extra polishing action of the foam pad goes a long ways towards improving the finish and thoroughly applying the product.



3. They use whatever car wash soap he picks up, although they once had Joy dishwashing liquid out by their pressure washer and deionizer tank. I mentioned to him that dish soap will strip the wax right off the paint, so he said he'd get regular car wash soap (which he did).
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I'll send you 2 of the new NXT Car Wash products, one for her, one for you to play with. It has an ingredient that sequesters and encapsulates hard minerals.



I'll try to get it out tommorrow.



Mike
 
Mike Phillips said:
Under these circumstances, no wax is going to hold up. But, here's what I would try, I'll send you the NXT Tech wax, maybe a dedicated bottle just for her car. After washing, only apply the Tech Wax, (unless surface condition warrants surface prep).



Do you have a PC? I have found best results for a finish like hers comes from applying Tech Wax using a PC. The extra polishing action of the foam pad goes a long ways towards improving the finish and thoroughly applying the product.
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Actually, what interests me is the filling properties of NXT since trying to stay ahead of scratches seems to be pointless on this car. I don't mind taking out the scratches because I get paid for it, but at some point, the clearcoat is going to get thin if it keeps up....even though he only kept her last S600 about a year...and I detailed it 5-6 times since she is a chain smoker and it had the light grey interior that got dirty very quickly. This one has a black interior so they may keep it longer.



I don't have a PC yet, but that is coming pretty soon, definitely before summer. I want to train my oldest son how to use one and it should speed up exterior detailing for him when he helps me out when he is here (and I do a better job on interiors).



You could always send me a PC and pads if you want. I promise to send you a thank-you note. ;)





I'll send you 2 of the new NXT Car Wash products, one for her, one for you to play with. It has an ingredient that sequesters and encapsulates hard minerals.



I'll try to get it out tommorrow.



Mike
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:cool: Since this guy has a pressure washer at his office, home and ranch, I don't use QEW on his cars. He wants me to use regular car wash soap and his deionized water. No problem since he knows it takes me a bit longer and he pays me more.



I know he'd be more than willing to try it out. He washes his cars almost as much as I do since I do have a lot of other customers and can't be at his beck and call 24/7. He lets his vehicles air dry since he has the deionized water and they tend to dry spot free, but don't feel as slick as they would if he dried them with towels. It will be interesting to see if the NXT soap will improve the slickness when he air dries.
 
Scottwax said:
You could always send me a PC and pads if you want. I promise to send you a thank-you note. ;)
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Mike has been the Santa Claus with samples. I wouldn't be surprised if you got one. ;) :p Helps Meguiar's, too..
 
BW said:
Mike has been the Santa Claus with samples. I wouldn't be surprised if you got one. ;) :p Helps Meguiar's, too..
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:lol Considering how rich I've made my local Meguiars pro distributer over the last 8-9 years I've used Meguiars professional line of products....:p
 
2hotford said:
Hmmm....I do not work for Meguiar's !! :D (Though I am a Moderator on Mike's Show Car Garage)



Here is a link:



http://www.showcargarage.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=441



Tim
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Thanks for the link, Tim. I read it some time ago.



I think I'll wait for the more objective and balanced reports from the established veterans right here at Autopia before making up my mind if NXT is truly Top Notch or just another marketing scheme.





BTW, you mentioned someplace that you moderated at another Meguiars-sponsored or promoted forum. Where is that?
 
Hey now, where's my sample? :o I'm not second class autopian! I'm just kidding, Mike. I'll wait a few weeks and buy it when it comes to stores. I'll be using it with a PC.



2hotford, nice pictures. I'm too lazy right now to read the whole thing. :)
 
Hi everybody,

Well, I have abstained from posting since I opened this thread because I wanted to have a chance to form a solid opinion about the performance and durability of NXT. Since my first post I have several comments:



1) The very small sample of LAB SAMPLE 'D' that I obtained at the SEMA show in November was pretty durable - I say LAB SAMPLE 'D' only because I don't know if the version I got back then actually ended up being the final production version which is now NXT Tech Wax (Mike, any comment?) I got enough to do the trunk of a used and abused black 01' BMW 745 with 2 layers of wax. That was back on November 14th. The rest of the car was waxed with Gold Class and then used as a test drive vehicle for the dealership. After 5 passes through the automatic car wash at the dealership(GASP!), 2 snow storms, extreme temperature changes( from 65 down to 10 and back) countless wipe downs in between those automatic car wash nightmares, and a little over 6 weeks - the gold class parts of the car were totally dead and the NXT began to lose it's luster. I didn't get to see just how long past there it would go before totally giving up the ghost because the GM of the dealership insisted we re-detail the car at that point. For all in went through I think it held up very good. Summer time will test the heat factor.



2) If I had the "NXT Booster Spray Wax" to use instead of Final Detail for all the wipe downs I wonder how that would have extended the durability? (Mike, any comments?)



3) It is too soon to give final comments on the samples I obtained from the Charity Auctions(after 4 weeks so far so good). Again, this was not a production run sample, but an actual lab sample made the day I was visiting the Meguiars HQ in Irvine.



4) This week I acquired actual production run bottles of NXT and began using them on all the cars my guys work on - and the results so far are nothing less than spectacular!



5) I must stress again that I DO NOT work for Meguiars on any level nor am I related in any way to the Meguiar Family ( even though I have received several emails from people who saw the picture of Barry and I, - and think we have a family resemblance) - I have my own business. I strive for the absolute best results I can get - period! And if I find a better product than one Meguiars makes - I will use it. For instance, I do not use their window cleaner, I use Stoner's - I think it just does a better job. But as far as anything in the NXT Line of Products or the Pro Line of products - in my opinion nothing is better.



6) I have never met a more committed group of people in this industry than the folks at Meguiars. I spent time with everyone at every level while I was out there visiting and I can't even begin to say enough about the people who work there day in and day out. From what I could tell in my 4 days there, nobody is there just because they needed a job or a paycheck. From the receptionist, to the chemists, the warehouse people, marketing people, the guys that drive the Meguiars Rigs all over the country, to Barry himself - the level of dedication, passion, and commitment to excellence is second to none. As for Mike Phillips - he is on a level all by himself, which many of you already know. I shadowed him for one full day while I was out there and I don't know how he keeps up with it all, but he does. He and his wife Lynn were great hosts and are truly certified car crazy nuts!



~Lenny
 
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