Meguiar’s ceramic detailer is beyond good.

Sorry Autopians, but Dupont`s Rain Dance used to bead like that on single-stage paints back in the late 70`s, early `80`s.
This fixation with hydroscopic beading was a BIG discussion point many years ago in this forum as an indicator of a Last-Step Product (LSP) still being present and offering protection from environmental fallout on a vehicle`s exterior paint surface. Seems we have come full circle again.
Don`t get me wrong, I LOVE water beading because of my infatuation and past (and present) experience with carnauba waxes, in particular Collinite 915. From pics of the VERY small, tight water beading of the Meg`s Ceramic Detailer, it looks very impressive.

Still, if an spray-on detailer offered more of a sheeting water action, when the sun comes out and dries up the rain water and the vehicle has little to no residue on it and it looks clean, I would be more prone to liking that. There are two characteristics about carnauba waxes that users of this LSP dislike (HATE):
1) Its electrostatic charge that it induces on surfaces that attract dirt and lot of it.
2) Its rain water beading in flat surfaces that attract or gather this dirt and debris that when it dries in the sun, it leaves a vehicle looking REALLY dirty.

I begin to understand this infatuation with coatings and its advantages over carnauba waxes:
1) Great reflection or shine (wet-look carnauba gloss)
2) Superior environmental fallout protection
3) Self-cleaning ability when it rains (IE, it does not ATTRACT dust and dirt)
4) Enhanced durability and longevity
(SO, Captain Obvious, have you convinced yourself to join this coating revolution? Or as humorist Will Rogers once said, "You can be on the right track, but if you are just standing there, you`ll still get run over!")

I assume, though, that this product (Meg-CD) is a maintenance-enhancer of LSP coatings, with ease of application and superior hydroscopic beading being its main selling points.
 
Update from this morning
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And from just now (it’s been rainy all last night and today again)
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Seems like weather is taking its toll.
 
Cant really tell from pics... wglhat do you mean by toll.
The ceramic QDs appear to look less “fresh” now. I guess I shouldn`t assume the QDs are beginning to fail, but initial beading of Megs HCD has gone from ‘amazing’ to ‘pretty good’ after being heavy rained on for 3 straight days. The drivers side and passenger sides are slowly looking less distinguishable than the old CMX in the middle.

None of this is Earth shattering news (a QD losing someone of its oomph), but these fine details may be desired by some readers to gauge the performance of these products.

I won’t post anymore unless something dramatic happens. Didn’t mean to hijack this thread.
 
The ceramic QDs appear to look less “fresh” now. I guess I shouldn`t assume the QDs are beginning to fail, but initial beading of Megs HCD has gone from ‘amazing’ to ‘pretty good’ after being heavy rained on for 3 straight days. The drivers side and passenger sides are slowly looking less distinguishable than the old CMX in the middle.

None of this is Earth shattering news (a QD losing someone of its oomph), but these fine details may be desired by some readers to gauge the performance of these products.

I won’t post anymore unless something dramatic happens. Didn’t mean to hijack this thread.

No i appreciate the post and would love an update at 2 week and a month. Its a ceramic Detail spray and wouldnt expect more than 2-4 weeks.


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No i appreciate the post and would love an update at 2 week and a month. Its a ceramic Detail spray and wouldnt expect more than 2-4 weeks.

My thoughts too. Even 4 weeks would be a long time for my QD expectations.

I typically us QD`s not so much for a shine or LSP durability boost, but more for a drying aid or water spot removal after a wash and the occasional bird dropping removal (it`s one reason I dabbled in WW`s as a QD). How would you rate the Meguiars for those types of duties?

Any thoughts on how this stacks up against Elixr?
 
My thoughts too. Even 4 weeks would be a long time for my QD expectations.

I typically us QD`s not so much for a shine or LSP durability boost, but more for a drying aid or water spot removal after a wash and the occasional bird dropping removal (it`s one reason I dabbled in WW`s as a QD). How would you rate the Meguiars for those types of duties?

Any thoughts on how this stacks up against Elixr?
First, I agree that 2 or 4 weeks is more than ample for my QD expectations. I think BSD has skewed some expectations for QD longevity but I basically consider BSD a wrongly named spray sealant. BSD sprays on so think and requires a thorough round of buffing, consistent with substantial spray waxes.

Megs HCD goes on fairly thin, like a normal QD and worked right into the surface. No streaking and barely an extra buff required. For this reason, I imagine it should fair well as a drying aid. And I predict it has decent cleaning ability based on those properties. I didn’t test for either cases but will do so next opportunity and report back.

I should add that Mckees Ceramic Detail Spray shares similar characteristics during application to HCD.

I’ve not used the RTU Elixir, so I can’t comment. I have used PBL SiO2 Detail Spray which may be a comparable. I think the PBL was a bit thicker and probably requires a more thorough final wipe... not as bad as BSD, but not as thin and easy as HCD. I recall PBL lasting a few weeks in fall weather. If HCD can do the same with a friendlier application, bravo.

In the next week or so I will be doing a ceramic QD showdown and a ceramic spray wax showdown on some combination of hood/roof/trunk. I’ll be able to provide better comparisons at that time.
 
Update 2/14 (12th day):
Both QDs hanging on, barely. I would say that for the last 4 days, each side has looked equal during the continued precipitation we’ve had. Both sides of the hood bead better than the middle with old LSP. Not sure if the below picture is high resolution enough to tell (taken today):
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When driving 40mph, Megs still sheets the best, Mckees moderately behind, and the middle doesn’t sheet at all anymore.

The QDs have withstood a ton of rain and some snow in the last 11.5 days. They’ve kept the degraded LSP that they topped looking pretty decent still.
 
Acura nice post I really like the retail ceramic products over reload, cure, c2v3 hydro lite plus they are half price. I use the ceramic detailer again today work I like it a ton. It’s like bead maker but it actually beads well
 
Yeah I’m digging it too. Just applied Cosmic with the HCD and damn it looks good. Acura, if you got a spare panel give that combo a try. The black had an unreal depth....


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Final update 2 weeks:
Rinsed the hood before washing, including flooding with the shower setting (best I can do).

The following pictures were taken over 35
seconds, heavy in the first 10 seconds. Mckees on left, passenger side. Megs on right, drivers side:
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- The middle doesn’t sheet at all. CMX is dead to me.
- Mckees side sheets in about 30-35 seconds. Not good but better than the middle.
- Megs sheets off in about 15 seconds, but 80% gone in like 10 seconds.

That’s good enough for me to call Megs the mini-test winner at two weeks and guess that it would remain (noticeably better than the middle which is dead) for another 1-2 weeks.

Tonight I’ll polish off the horizontal panels and figure out a combo of tests with Ceramic Detailers and Ceramic Sprays. New thread coming soon.
 
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