Meguiar's #21 Synthetic Sealant

I won't be buying it unless they package it in smaller bottles and it's available along with the othe professional line at the local store that carries them all. :)
 
I won't be buying it until I use up the 35 other bottles and cans of waxes I have sitting on my shelves. But it sounds cool.





Tom
 
Bill D said:
BRAVO Tom! BRAVO Tom! :xyxthumbs



I thought hard about the issue of durability recently and it kinda got me spinning in circles there :o
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Hey Bill, this is just like the other thread about what has the best shine and durability on white! Anyways, the only thing im dissapointed about the info released on this sealant is already saying that NXT will "protect longer" than this new sealant. When I consider a sealant on the car I want it to protect the best and longest, if I want shine and look I will simply re-apply often and choose a wax that offers the best look. The sealant for me is just assurance that I'm having the "best" protection. THe topper will be designated for just "appearance" and sacrificial layer for the sealant.



Of course everything we talk of now is just here-say since I dont think anyone outside of MEg's has used the product and given a TOTALLY unbiased report. It will be interesting to see what review people will give this new product. SO far of Mike's released info, I think I will stick with Zaino as my go to sealant and then a good carnuaba topper. Im also a fan of NXT, so that will remain my good "1-step wax/sealant" <---or whatever everyone considers it. If I do decide to get #21, it will prolly be for "appearance" reasons instead of durability and protection. I guess we will all have to see.



So far, what im reading of the Meg's thread is something I dont necessarily understand. If pro detailers werent getting enough supply of NXT (that was stated in the thread as the reason they developed #21), why would they make #21 have less cleaning power than NXT and shorter lifespan of protection than NXT?? It kinda confuses me, but maybe im interpreting things wrong from that thread :nixweiss As of now from what Mike Phillips released, there doesnt seem to be any true advantage that #21 will provide versus NXT. THe only thing i can think of is that #21 may hold its "appearance" longer and look better than nxt?? :nixweiss Maybe someone can chime in to help me out?
 
Am I the only one who is confused? How many Products does Meguiars have that sound simular and repetitive to eachother? If NXT is better why create an inferior product? Why not get rid of all the other products the new products are replacing? They say it will not replace #20...



Also, this confuses me..



Quote: "Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant is the result of customer demand in the professional segment of our market. A majority of Meguiarâ€â„¢s top accounts that distribute Meguiarâ€â„¢s Professional Line are ordering NXT Tech Wax out of our Consumer Line to distribute into the professional segment of the market, (The professional detailing industry and the new and used car dealerships). To meet this new and strong demand for a Meguiarâ€â„¢s synthetic paint sealant Meguiarâ€â„¢s is now introducing a new product specifically formulated for this market and their unique needs through our professional distribution channels."



What was #20 then? They make it sound like the never had a Synthetic sealant? Im even more lost with Meguiars than before.
 
eShine said:
Am I the only one who is confused? How many Products does Meguiars have that sound simular and repetitive to eachother? If NXT is better why create an inferior product? Why not get rid of all the other products the new products are replacing?
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In a way I agree. But NXT is a consumer product, this isn't going to be used by most backyard detailers...



Either way, its all cool.
 
Buick_guy1 said:
In a way I agree. But NXT is a consumer product, this isn't going to be used by most backyard detailers...



Either way, its all cool.
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I added more to my post but I will repeat it. What was #20? It was a Polymer Sealant! #21 just seems like ANOTHER redundant product. Not saying either product is good or bad but so many of their products descriptions are almost identicle, It makes it real confusing when trying to select a product.
 
I was at Canadian Tire yesterday and strolled through the Car Care section. I was shocked at how many Car wash Soaps Meguiars has. Same for Tire Shine. I see customers stare at these bottles and I can read their minds! They are severly confused! I then see them walk away with some Simoniz Soap... Why? Because their is ONE Simoniz Soap.
 
Don't worry eshine. I feel your confusion, and that's why I posted my comments on the first page. Meg's has got me confused with most of their products. I think most of it is marketing from a stand point, but hey they are a business and need to do what it takes to turn profits. If this means flooding the market with almost the same products in different packaging to appeal to all forms of buyers, then that's what they will do to sell. (Im not in anyway saying Meg's products are bad! I use some of them and love em but I also dont see the need for some as well)
 
eShine said:
I added more to my post but I will repeat it. What was #20? It was a Polymer Sealant! #21 just seems like ANOTHER redundant product. Not saying either product is good or bad but so many of their products descriptions are almost identicle, It makes it real confusing when trying to select a product.
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From the label of one of my bottles of #20

"A unique blend of polymers, resings, silicones and imported waxes."



#21 is going to be a pure polymer so although it may share some characteristics of #20 as Mike has stated, it is no where near a clone of it.
 
rjstaaf said:
From the label of one of my bottles of #20

"A unique blend of polymers, resings, silicones and imported waxes."



#21 is going to be a pure polymer so although it may share some characteristics of #20 as Mike has stated, it is no where near a clone of it.
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Either way what will be the pros and cons when compared to #20 and NXT specifically? (Im talking mainly durability of protection, protection of appearance, initial appearance...etc) Mike said that it wont havethe cleaning power like others. It seems to be just different ingredients to produce not so different results as far as what they are claiming since no one has used the product (#21). Sealants are known more on the side for durability and protection more than for appearances. That's why a lot of people here "top" sealants.



If #21 is claiming less than NXT durable, I sure hope that #21 gives a lot better look (it would have to be reeeeaaaallly good look because I think NXT look is outstanding), otherwise, I see no reason why it should replace NXT in my arsenal.
 
I think this product was created with the professional who consistantly uses a buffer to apply their lsp in mind. All Meguiars consumer products (including NXT) are formulated with Joe Six Pack in mind who will apply the product by hand. #21 is said to be a wet enough product that it can be rotary applied. I am not totally sure #21 is really even meant for someone like me, Anthony Orosco, etc but for high volume detail shops that need a quality sealant that can be quickly machine applied. It may be that while a skilled detailer can apply NXT with a rotary, not all detailers have that skill level. In addition, a bulk product is cheaper to buy for high volume shops.



As far as any layering aspects that some people seem to like so much, this product is meant to work well with a single application. Remember, this is a professional product and normally, customers aren't going to bring their car back to the detailer once a week for the next three weeks so the product can be layered.



I don't think #21 was developed for the Autopian enthusiast. Seems to me, NXT, #26 and #16 are more in line with the serious detailing hobbyist.
 
We still don't know what products will be cut due to the CCAB regulations in 2005. I will wait and see what falls out.



I've said it before and will say it once more. More choice is better. Some of you sound like you only want one product from a company. If you do, then I think you need some help. I've used all of Meguiar's LSPs and polishes and each one is different. Some last longer than others. Some offer higher reflectivity, Some deepen the color. Some hide swirls better than others. Some are easier to apply and remove. Choice is a good thing.
 
Scottwax said:
I think this product was created with the professional who consistantly uses a buffer to apply their lsp in mind. All Meguiars consumer products (including NXT) are formulated with Joe Six Pack in mind who will apply the product by hand. #21 is said to be a wet enough product that it can be rotary applied. I am not totally sure #21 is really even meant for someone like me, Anthony Orosco, etc but for high volume detail shops that need a quality sealant that can be quickly machine applied. It may be that while a skilled detailer can apply NXT with a rotary, not all detailers have that skill level. In addition, a bulk product is cheaper to buy for high volume shops.



As far as any layering aspects that some people seem to like so much, this product is meant to work well with a single application. Remember, this is a professional product and normally, customers aren't going to bring their car back to the detailer once a week for the next three weeks so the product can be layered.



I don't think #21 was developed for the Autopian enthusiast. Seems to me, NXT, #26 and #16 are more in line with the serious detailing hobbyist.
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Well said Scott I think you may be on to something here. The points you made make very logical sense and seem to clear up some of the confusion as to why Meguiars would add such a similar product to their line.
 
In addition, #21 is supposed to have swirl "removal" or "hiding" ability, as NXT. #20 does nothing for swirls.



Scottwax nailed it, I think. A bulk NXT which can be applied by rotary. No fancy packaging. I think most people on this board are not going to use it, just like they don't use #20 (although I do) :p
 
Black240SX said:
The problem is the choice is only an illusion if you don't have the information needed to make a decision.
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That's why places like this exist. :)



I think Scott hit it. I'm glad Mike posted up a rather comprehensive list of how it differs from other current Meg's products, and more importantly what the impetus was for coming up with it in the first place. Like Scott said, NXT for the rotary buffer. For the folks saying "Polymer Sealant sounds just like Synthetic Sealant", only the product name sounds similar. But Mike described the differences fairly well. Who cares what they named it, it doesn't change what each is.



So far I much prefer this approach to product unveiling to the way NXT was unveiled. :) :wavey
 
Scottwax said:
I think this product was created with the professional who consistantly uses a buffer to apply their lsp in mind. All Meguiars consumer products (including NXT) are formulated with Joe Six Pack in mind who will apply the product by hand. #21 is said to be a wet enough product that it can be rotary applied. I am not totally sure #21 is really even meant for someone like me, Anthony Orosco, etc but for high volume detail shops that need a quality sealant that can be quickly machine applied. It may be that while a skilled detailer can apply NXT with a rotary, not all detailers have that skill level. In addition, a bulk product is cheaper to buy for high volume shops.



As far as any layering aspects that some people seem to like so much, this product is meant to work well with a single application. Remember, this is a professional product and normally, customers aren't going to bring their car back to the detailer once a week for the next three weeks so the product can be layered.



I don't think #21 was developed for the Autopian enthusiast. Seems to me, NXT, #26 and #16 are more in line with the serious detailing hobbyist.
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from the words of a newbie: (atleast in the forum, but inclined into hardcore detailing), this is by far the most logical conclusion for releasing #21...



NXT will still be my sealant, to protect my #83, #80 finish. I'm not after the looks of the NXT, but rather I'm after the protection of NXT. The "looks", is underneath the NXT thus the 8380 combo.
 
I was at my Meguiar's distributor on Friday. He knows #21 is coming but he doesn't have any samples yet. He did say if and when he gets some, he will save a portion for me.



BTW, he now thinks #80 and #16 are the new hotness in Meguiars products. He'd never tried either before I mentioned how well they work for me. He'd been using #82/#26 previously.
 
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