Meguiar's #21 Synthetic Sealant

Mike,



Which will provide longer lasting protection:



NXT

MPPP

No. 20

No. 21



Based on a couple of your write's up, I think NXT provides longer protection than No. 21? Based on your experience, would the above be correct order of durability?
 
Oh yeah,



No. 20 - Polymer Sealant

No. 21 - Synthetic Sealant



Are they both not synthetic? :nixweiss



Paco
 
Mike states in an inner post that NXT will still be Meguiar's' longest lasting protectant. It also will not have any ingredients offering cationic bonding like MPPP has.



Keep in mind that "longest lasting protection" and "longest lasting shine" are not the same.





Tom
 
hmmmm...so it sounds like #20 will still be good on light colors and this new #21 will be good on darker colors?



In essence this product would replace NXT for me...
 
Well for me I would have thought the durability would be longer than NXT :( THat's what I was looking for....something that will rival klasse and Zaino as far as durability is concerned. From what im reading, it seems #21 will have less durability than NXT and little less cleaning power.... What are gonna be the pros when comparing to NXT?? (Not bashing the product at all, just curious as to what the exact differences will be between NXT and #21?) and yes I did read the meg's online thread on it.
 
Yep, to be honest, I was a little disappointed that the new pro sealant will not be as durable as NXT?????????



It sounds like #21 is more or less an improved version of #20. Of course, that's not a bad thing, as #20 was pretty decent stuff, but I was hoping for more from the new sealant.



The fact that #21 is supposed to have less cleaners than #20, and will have more of a carnauba look might help it win some fans.
 
White_F150 said:
Yep, to be honest, I was a little disappointed that the new pro sealant will not be as durable as NXT?????????

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white_F150 , where are you getting this info from , I've been following the Meguairs thread and have spoke to some people at Meguiars and what I've gathered this should last longer than NXT which is Meguiars longest lasting product.
 
white_F150 thanks for pointing that out , somehow I missed that line , guess I'd have to agree that's alittle dissappointing , guess I'll stick with NXT and #16. Strange that they would make a pro product that wouldn't last as long as a consumer product.
 
White_F150 said:
If you are talking about this thread:



http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3701&perpage=40&pagenumber=2



Here's the quote (check the 11th asterisk in Mike's "official" post)



"Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant contains no Carnauba wax or any natural ingredient as far as the protection value is concerned. NXT Generation Tech Wax is still Meguiarâ€â„¢s best protecting product"
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Just a though, but.....



NXT could be the best protecting, but not the most durable. In other words it protects the best for X amount of time.



The #21 could protect less, but be more durable.



I guess what I am thinking is that protection and durability are two totally different animals.



Just throwing this out there. I bet that when the dust settles this new sealant will bead for a long time much like #20 and have a look some where between #26 and NXT.



Either way, count me in for 64 oz.
 
There's a disconnect here in that we are thinking of "protection" as something we can see and feel.



NXT's protection lasts far beyond its shine. That's why the Spray Booster Wax exists; to restore the shine at a lower cost than a new application of NXT.



So, we have some people saying "durability" and meaning "durability of shine", and other people saying "durability" and meaning "durability of protection", or "how long the product actually stays on the paint acting as a sacrificial barrier".



NXT is the only product I use regularly that is a real SOB to clean off of pads and towels; the stuff just doesn't emulsify. It might not SHINE as long as some other products, but it's there doing its job.



Since Autopians are generally predisposed to favor durability of shine over durability of protection, the product's durability generally disappoints us. For the general public, who are the true audience for NXT, if they use the product properly their paint will stay protected (so that when we get to buy their used cars we can shine them the way we want to without having to deal with all that fading!)





Tom
 
ebpcivicsi,



Good point! If a product is more "durable", but not "protecting", then the durability isn't worth much. Although, I still don't quite understand how a more durable product isn't protecting......... at least a little bit, especially when directly compared to a product that isn't as durable.



Whatever the case, the new #21 does sound like an interesting product. Good luck with it.
 
Mosca said:
There's a disconnect here in that we are thinking of "protection" as something we can see and feel.



NXT's protection lasts far beyond its shine. That's why the Spray Booster Wax exists; to restore the shine at a lower cost than a new application of NXT.



So, we have some people saying "durability" and meaning "durability of shine", and other people saying "durability" and meaning "durability of protection", or "how long the product actually stays on the paint acting as a sacrificial barrier".



.....Since Autopians are generally predisposed to favor durability of shine over durability of protection, the product's durability generally disappoints us. For the general public, who are the true audience for NXT, if they use the product properly their paint will stay protected (so that when we get to buy their used cars we can shine them the way we want to without having to deal with all that fading!)



Tom
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BRAVO Tom! BRAVO Tom! :xyxthumbs





You make 100%, exactly right on the money points.



I thought hard about the issue of durability recently and it kinda got me spinning in circles there :o



I made the same conclusions you do. As an Autopian, I take great pleasure in applying a LSP routinely. This is "the main event of detailing" for me. I never ,ever would let the cars go to the point where the shine is starting to look off so, that observable definition of durabilty: longevity of shine is no issue for me.

And as for the unseen durabilty,the product may or may not still being on the finish, that never ever would even be a concern for me because of my routine reapplication.



These two durability factors, to me, would seem relevant to someone interested in a good looking,protected car but who doesn't want to make the effort to routinely maintain the LSP. Those , and I assume are in the minority on Autopia, are the ones who would really need to analyze the LSPs available and select which one(s) bead the longest,gives the longest shine, etc: all the factors detectable by the senses.
 
Bill,



Very good points, and for "your" situation that may all make sense. However, I would guess that there are a LOT of people that live in areas of the country where applying a coat of LSP during the winter months is next to impossible. Some of these people are probably using their vehicles as everyday drivers, parked outside 24/7/365, and driven in salt, sand, slush and other "crap". To those people, durability/protection might be a bit more important. If, and when they get the chance to wash their vehicels during those periods of nasty weather, it's nice to see a bit of shine.
 
To me durability of shine is more important than durability of protection . I will rewax my car when I feel that some of the shine is gone even though it still will be beading. I guess that why I use a lot of qd, trying to maintain that wet look.
 
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