Meg's Ultimate Compound with a Rotary

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Mr_Good_Kat

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So I have a question regarding the new Meg's Ultimate Compound from the OTC line.



Why can't you use this polish with a rotary? Also, has anyone used this with a rotary and what were the results.



I'm getting to work on a 2007 G6 GTP that is pretty beat up and I can't get 105 locally.



Thanks,

Tom
 
the UC is in the consumer line so that's one of the reasons why it's recommended for use by hand & D/A. not to say you couldn't get good results if you used it by rotary, but megs doesn't recommend it...
 
Ah that makes sense. Well I think I'll pick some up and give it a shot with the orange and white CCS pad on the rotary and see what I can do. Thanks for the input.
 
it is worth notting that the OTC Ultimate Compound

and the pro M105 are not even close in cut!

(according to Meg's)



sure MUC has more cut then #83

but is rated @ 1/2 of what the M105 is
 
BigJimZ28 said:
it is worth notting that the OTC Ultimate Compound

and the pro M105 are not even close in cut!

(according to Meg's)



sure MUC has more cut then #83

but is rated @ 1/2 of what the M105 is
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Wait...I thought 105 was cut of 12, and #83 was cut of 6...so what is "MUC" rated at?
 
Id give it a try. Im curious to see how it works. In the spring Im going to buff out my wifes van and I will try Swirl X. Some here may say why not buy 205 . I have 1 car to do , why buy a quart when you can get Swirl X in pints.
 
Thanks for the input Jim, I'm going to get some and give it a shot. I have no use for a quart of 105 and don't really want to pay shipping on the 120z bottles from ADS. I'll try it and if it doesn't work, then I'm only out 10 bucks.
 
BigJimZ28 said:
MUC is also rated a "6"

but it is not a pro product so the cut rating is not offical



as for as the cut being more then #83:

Aggressiveness Order for New Consumer Products - This will surprise you! - Car Care Forums: Meguiar's Online





again this is only info from the meg's site

I have not used them yet so....
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Yeah, this is the problem that I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around.



M105 has a cut rating of 12 and M83 has a cute rating of 6, but MUC, ScratchX 2.0, and Swirl X all fall between the two. With MUC being more abrasive than Scratch X 2.0 and Swirl X, but still having an unofficial rating of "6" (the same as M83), then all of the products (4 in all) would have to fall under "6" under the abrasiveness scale. It doesn't make sense that this would be so, and I doubt that any company would create 4 products that are so similiar in cut (not considering non diminishing abrasive techmology).



I'm not ragging on Meg's at all here (hats off to them for their successes and visions in difficult economic times--more companies should be like 'em :xyxthumbs), just trying to make accurate sense of it all.
 
Can we sort this out a little better?

I recently used PB's ssr2.5 and did not take out some light scratches, Up to 83 and still not not take them out. What would be the next step without going to 105?

I used PC 7424 with lake's yellow pad.
 
lawrencea said:
Id give it a try. Im curious to see how it works. In the spring Im going to buff out my wifes van and I will try Swirl X. Some here may say why not buy 205 . I have 1 car to do , why buy a quart when you can get Swirl X in pints.
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Rick at ADS sells 205 in 12 oz sample bottles, but of course you have to pay shipping vs. just picking up some Swirl X at the local store. From what a lot of the pros have been saying, though, it might be worth paying the extra few bucks for the shipping to use the 205 instead of the Swirl X.
 
Fellas,



Well, I used the UC on my Alabaster Silver 2006 Honda Accord last weekend. I must say I was quite impressed with the results. I used a white LC pad and removed some light swirls and RIDS. It finished down great with absolutely no holograming on what I consider to be medium hardness paint.



I tried using some 3M Finesse IT II that I had laying around and it wouldn't touch the rids. Overall I think its a good product to have in the garage for the weekend warrior.
 
I'm curious about the claim that MUC has a cut of "6." What is the source for this claim? I'm not saying that it's not true; I simply do not recall seeing seeing over at MOL a specific cut number being assigned to UC.
 
akimel said:
I'm curious about the claim that MUC has a cut of "6." What is the source for this claim? I'm not saying that it's not true; I simply do not recall seeing seeing over at MOL a specific cut number being assigned to UC.
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I saw it rated at 6 at Megs online but that doesn't seem right to me. I think it's more agressive than that.
 
It's pretty strong for a consumer product. I had a bit of paint transfer from my hood working by hand on the crease...unbelievable for clear coated factory paint.
 
aabablusaan said:
It's pretty strong for a consumer product. I had a bit of paint transfer from my hood working by hand on the crease...unbelievable for clear coated factory paint.
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If you got colored paint transfer from clearcoated apint that means you went through the clear. NEVER polish a raised crease because that's where the paint is thinnest.
 
I think it's a little tough to just give cut numbers with non-diminishing abrasives. Think about #105. It cuts a lot on a cutting pad. Should it be a 12 on the scale? But on a finishing pad it has very little bite and finishes down pretty fine. Should it be a 4 on the scale? I know that's the case with other polishes also...it's just more drastic how much pad/pressure/speed affect these newer polishes. I would think that just knowing the order, from most to least aggressive, would be the most important issue.



#105

UC

ScratchX 2.0

SwirlX

#205
 
UC not being recommended for the rotary could have to do with the amount of heat that a rotary can generate too. That and the fact that it's in the consumer line and it is geared for the less skilled detailer. It may work just fine on a rotary but I wouldn't be surprised if it had gumming issues.



Meguiars has not officially given any of the consumer polishes/compounds a cut rating and it's likely they won’t either.



People are trying to compare cut between D.A.T. and S.M.A.T. products and it's basically like comparing apples to oranges.



Just because the both have the same rating doesn't mean they will cut the same. Unlike D.A.T. polishes, S.M.A.T. keeps cutting until you stop working or the lubricants have flashed or dried up. They are also much more effective by pad choice and the amount of pressure that is applied.





Hope this helps,

Rasky
 
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