Meg's coming out with a new sealant?

Mike, I'd be interested in a few areas:



1) What is the cure time -can you apply and remove right away, let is sit (n) minutes. How long of a wait time is recommened between applications?



2) How 'user friendly' is the product. Easy on, Easy off like FMJ, or easy on an PITA off like SG, or somewhere in between? Another way said, what sealer is the new Meg's product like in terms of application and removal?
 
I see Mike compares it #20 and NXT. Can anyone give a nutshell review of #20? How does it look, apply and durability? I dont see it discussed here that much.
 
From what I have read is that #20 gives a little better durability and NXT gives a shiny glow better.....someone please correct me if im wrong. Or it might be vice-versa...someone help us out here.
 
Scottwax said:
Meguiars does not estimate durability due to the variables in weather, washing techniques (or total lack of washing), application technique, etc.

Should of made myself more clear...:o Expected durability against existing Megs products. I'm one of many that can't seem to get decent durability from NXT, although I do like the product for it's looks.



I'd love to see a Megs sealant that gets good consistent durability reviews from around the world. I want to see a product that rivals the likes of Klasse but is more user friendly. Nobody seems to dispute the durability of Klasse... it would be good to have a Megs sealant that everyone gets a good level of durabilty from.
 
01bluecls said:
From what I have read is that #20 gives a little better durability and NXT gives a shiny glow better.....someone please correct me if im wrong. Or it might be vice-versa...someone help us out here.



#20 tends to just add shine and wetness. NXT adds shine, wetness and depth because it slightly darkens the paint. #20 is easier to use since you don't have to wait long for it to haze. If you have a light color car, it is a toss-up when it comes to appearance, on dark colors, I <3 NXT.
 
Here is as much information that I can share on this new product at this time.



  • * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant will be available in a 64 ounce container with a suggested retail price of approximately $40.00



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant can be applied by hand, dual action polisher, orbital polisher and rotary buffer.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant needs to dry before being removed; this will take approximately 10 to 15 minutes in most climates. This may take longer in colder, more humid climates, and faster in drier, warmer climates. Meguiarâ€â„¢s recommends the The Swipe Test to determine when a wax or paint sealant is ready to remove.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant is V.O.C. compliant under new E.P.A. regulations for California starting in 2005



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant Does contain some light cleaning ability. Not as much as #20 Polymer Sealant, which offers cleaning action.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant Wipes on and wipes off easy when applied using thin coats and allowed to dry for the appropriate amount of time.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant does not need to be heated in order to apply it and/or to make it bond.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant does not require any special pre-surface prep product that is specific to Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant, (as part of a system).



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant is not a one-step cleaner/wax product and is intended to be used on surfaces that are new, like new or have been pre-cleaned and polished using any Meguiarâ€â„¢s compound, paint cleaner, cleaner/polish and or pure polish.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant is formulated to be used with a rotary buffer in production type environments and is a much wetter product than the NXT Generation Tech Wax and as such offer more play time on the surface while being buffed. (Note: NXT Tech Wax is not formulated for use with a rotary buffer).



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant contains no Carnauba wax or any natural ingredient as far as the protection value is concerned. NXT Generation Tech Wax is still Meguiarâ€â„¢s best protecting product



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant is the result of customer demand in the professional segment of our market. A majority of Meguiarâ€â„¢s top accounts that distribute Meguiarâ€â„¢s Professional Line are ordering NXT Tech Wax out of our Consumer Line to distribute into the professional segment of the market, (The professional detailing industry and the new and used car dealerships). To meet this new and strong demand for a Meguiarâ€â„¢s synthetic paint sealant Meguiarâ€â„¢s is now introducing a new product specifically formulated for this market and their unique needs through our professional distribution channels.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant should be available to purchase online and through PBE (Paint, Body, and Equipment) stores in mid-January 2005



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant will offer the fine swirl elimination characteristics that NXT Generation Tech Wax offers, however, when used with a rotary buffer, it will offer much more due to the pad working for you as well.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant should be removed from any exterior trim to prevent staining.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant does not use any ingredients that offer cationic action like the Medallion Premium Paint Protectant.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant will not replace M20 Polymer Sealant. M20 will still be manufactured and available as it is a very popular wax with professionals.



    * Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant and layering â€â€œ Whether Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant can be layered or not depends on which definition of the word layer you subscribe to.



Layering



If your definition of the word "layer" follows that of Webster's Dictionary:



2 a: One thickness, course, or fold, laid or lying over or under another.



Then yes, you can layer to a certain point. For example, you can add multiple layers of layerable waxes until the limit to how much a given surface of an automotive paint can hold before each additional application is simply removed, or replaces a previously applied layer.



You cannot layer to the point of developing a measurable film-build, and this is key; without negatively affecting, or diminishing to some degree, the shine, optical clarity, gloss, reflectivity, depth of color etc. of the finish. This is especially true if the product you're applying is not clear (in and of itself) to start with.





If your definition of the word "layer" follows that of definition used by some on the Internet,



Layer 1: To continually build a greater level of protection with each additional application, or layer, of a wax or protectant. (Natural or synthetic)



Layer 2: To continually increase shine, optical clarity, gloss, reflectivity, depth of color without end and/or after a plateau, or point of maximum potential has been achieved.



Then no, you cannot layer a wax, synthetic, natural, or otherwise.



Meguiarâ€â„¢s Meguiarâ€â„¢s new paint sealant falls into the first category in that two thin coats insures,



  • * Uniform Appearance

    * Uniform Coverage



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As far as samples go for members of Autopia, Iâ€â„¢m working on this.



Mike
 
I'm disappointed, Mike. If you offered it without cleaning ability, just imagine how many layers you would be seeing out of people. "Yup, got my 500th layer on the old trans am...I'm protected" ha. Given you can get a gallon of it.



But it sounds like tweaked NXT. :nixweiss
 
Scottwax said:
So basically the new sealant is a professional version of NXT?



No. I tried to make this clear with the bullet points.





* NXT does not contain any technology used with M20 Polymer Sealant.



* NXT is not formulated for use with a rotary buffer and this new product is.



Two very big differences and there are others as well.



Mike
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
I'm disappointed, Mike. If you offered it without cleaning ability, just imagine how many layers you would be seeing out of people. "Yup, got my 500th layer on the old trans am...I'm protected" ha. Given you can get a gallon of it.



But it sounds like tweaked NXT. :nixweiss



Or tweaked #20



Mike
 
Mike Phillips said:
No. I tried to make this clear with the bullet points.





* NXT does not contain any technology used with M20 Polymer Sealant.



* NXT is not formulated for use with a rotary buffer and this new product is.



Two very big differences and there are others as well.



Mike



But there are also similarities like light cleaning ability, waiting 10-15 minutes to remove, no special surface prep other than the paint being properly polished, and you even acknowledge it was formulated for professionals because the pro distributors are selling at lot of NXT to pros.



Maybe it isn't even close to the same formula but it seems to have a lot of the same useage, even though the new sealant is rotary compatible.



BTW, what about appearance? What other Meguiars LSP would you say it most compares to?
 
Same here Mike... I was looking for a "pure" non cleaning, water based LSP capable of being layered for maximum protection and appearance :(
 
RedondoV6 said:
Same here Mike... I was looking for a "pure" non cleaning, water based LSP capable of being layered for maximum protection and appearance :(



I don't think Meguiars developed this product with the enthusiast in mind but the professional who has a limited timeframe in which to work. Pros need a product that works well with a single application.



Even on my own car, I couldn't care less about layering. I stop at two and the second application is to ensure complete coverage.



I don't even know that Meguiars is looking to come out with a layerable sealant to compete with Klasse or Zaino.
 
Yeah, I give up after the 2nd layer unless it was free product and I don't know if I will have enough to do another vehicle with it.



Usually I'll top it with a carnauba or something at that point.
 
Corey Bit Spank said:
I don't mean to be a thorn in your side, Mike, but GSRStilez used NXT by rotary with good results, if I do recall.



Meguiar's can't control how people apply a product. A lot of people use products in ways manufactures don't recommend and get great results, we often only hear about it when they don't get great results.



I simply posted that NXT Tech Wax was never formulated for use with a rotary buffer. This new product is formulated for use with a rotary buffer. This means there are differences in how the product will perform under time, heat and pressure.



Mike
 
Scottwax said:
But there are also similarities like light cleaning ability, waiting 10-15 minutes to remove,



All Meguiar's waxes need to dry before they are removed. Most of our waxes will be ready to remove in 10 to 15 minutes depending on the temperature and humidity. So in this example, this new product is similar to all Meguiar's waxes.



no special surface prep other than the paint being properly polished,

By no special prep, what I meant is that it will not have it's own dedicated product to pre-clean the surface. Someone had asked if it will need a pre-cleaner like Klasse AIO is often used before applying Klasse SG and the technical answer is no.



It does need special prep if by special prep you include any product and procedure needed to remove defects and restore a clean, defect free finish ready for the application of a wax with only light cleaning ability. This new product is not formulated to be a one-step cleaner wax. The finish needs to be in new or like new condition. If the finish is not in new or like new condition, the a compound or cleaner/polish should be used first to restore the gloss and remove defects.



and you even acknowledge it was formulated for professionals because the pro distributors are selling at lot of NXT to pros.



The reason our Pro distributors are distributing the NXT Tech Wax is because of its runaway success and popularity. According to NPD, Meguiar's new NXT Generation Tech Wax is the Number One selling liquid wax in America this summer. Our Pro Distributors are selling NXT Tech wax into the Professional segment of the market because that's what their customers are demanding.



From what I posted above,



To meet this new and strong demand for a Meguiar'sâ€â„¢s synthetic paint sealant Meguiar'sâ€â„¢s is now introducing a new product specifically formulated for this market and their unique needs through our professional distribution channels.



While some on Autopia and other forums may prefer other products, NXT Tech wax went from a brand new wax on the market to where it's at now in less than 8 months. It has surpassed Gold Class Wax in sales making it the number one selling wax in Meguiar's line, without cannibalizing sales of Gold Class Wax.



Maybe it isn't even close to the same formula but it seems to have a lot of the same usage, even though the new sealant is rotary compatible.



From what I posted above,



To meet this new and strong demand for a Meguiar'sâ€â„¢s synthetic paint sealant Meguiar'sâ€â„¢s is now introducing a new product specifically formulated for this market and their unique needs through our professional distribution channels.



BTW, what about appearance? What other Meguiar's LSP would you say it most compares to?



NXT Tech Wax, #26 Hi Tech Yellow Wax. It looks nice on our 04 black Pilot.



Mike
 
RedondoV6 said:
Same here Mike... I was looking for a "pure" non cleaning, water based LSP capable of being layered for maximum protection and appearance :(



I know this. But this product wasn't formulated for serious enthusiasts like you, but for the production oriented detailing industry. Two different segments of this hobby/business. Both have their needs and wants.



We have a forum for "New Product Suggestions". Meguiar's listens to your opinions, suggestions and ideas. Please take a moment to start a thread in that forum if you really feel strongly about your idea and would like to see Meguiar's come out with a product like you describe.



Mike
 
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