Meg's coming out with a new sealant?

My question would be one concerning what my local Megs distributor has questions about....WIll the main application process for the sealant be like Zaino and Klasse to where we can hand apply thin layers. The shop person didnt know if it would be like that, or if the sealant had to be machine applied to "heat" the properties up to where it will bond.



Will the new product be "similar" to NXT?

How will it "differ" from NXT?



I guess from what I here its a PURE sealant (w/o cleaners) unlike NXT. More along the lines of ZAINO and KLASSE SG. And another guess im gonna make is that the durability will hopefully be longer than NXT. (Even though I think NXT is pretty decent with durability.)
 
Mike Phillips said:
Just to note, I didn't start this thread, I didn't leak the information about a new product coming out. To the best of my ability, I will answer questions about this new product and as it becomes available Autopians can try it, test it and then make up their own minds and form their own opinions.



I have tried it, and I do like it. I have a meeting tomorrow where I will have an opportunity to ask as many questions as I like about this new product. So if there is any question you would like to ask, please post it here, or on Meguiar's Online and I'll do my best to get an answer. No hype, no excitement, (on my part), just answers to your questions.



Is everyone down with that?



Mike
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Im def down with that. Everyone should appreciate all your efforts towards this as everyone knows you have NO obligations to give us info what so ever. But since I think you love us so much that you will be willing to share whatever info you can! :D



This is to EVERYONE that is reading this thread:

I started the thread, NOT Mike Phillips. SO no one is to blame Mike for starting anything about this sealant. I started this thread with NO intention of hyping a product. When I started this i was hoping to confirm/deny the rumors of this new product from when I heard it from a local Meg's Distributor.



So everyone please do not hold Mike Phillips and/or Meguiars responsible for hyping a product because they have not done any such thing in this thread.
 
I'd want something that rivals ( possible to surpass??) the look of the best carnauba waxes on the market with additional UV protection. Durability is not high on my list necessarily because I take pleasure in routinely applying the product. To me that's "the main event" of detailing.
 
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I think they should keep the name.



An now, the latest development in automotive finish care; Meguiar's #XX Lab Sample Sealant! :D





PC.
 
pugoman said:
Expected durability would be my main question.
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Meguiars does not estimate durability due to the variables in weather, washing techniques (or total lack of washing), application technique, etc.
 
I am sure they can give us a comparison to their other products.



NXT Generation Tech Wax

Meguiar's NXT Generation Tech Wax is unlike any other car wax availableâ€Â¦nothing comes close to this amazing product. Paint will be darker and richer and shine will be maximized for depth and clarity. The formula has been engineered to dramatically reduce fine scratches and swirls for a flawless show car finish. ESP technology creates a tough polymer bond to the paint to provide extreme protection, delivering our longest lasting car wax ever.



I use NXT on the top of my SUV because of it cleaning ability and excellent finish appearance with one application (cleaning/protecting). Tops of full-size SUV's are a PITA and since mine is white, I want to maintain the new hue with constant cleaning beyond soap and water. Durability seems good so far (~4 weeks of beading and counting).

The rest of vehicle is Zaino'd.
 
01bluecls said:
Polymer Sealant (this is #20)

Polymer based formulation provides extra-durable paint protection. A unique blend of polymers, resins, silicones and imported waxes provides exceptional durability. Polymer Sealant ensures superior results on every type of paint, including clear coat.

From Megs website....wait i thought silicones were a no-no.
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~One manâ€â„¢s opinion / observations~



There are silicones (good) and then there are silicones (bad) not all are equalâ€Â¦



Silicone oils are inherently water repellent so the wonâ€â„¢t allow water to compromise the paint surface providing better durability and protection. Because of silicones ability to refract light it also provides a â€Ëœbrighterâ€â„¢ shine. The myth that silicone is bad is just that, a myth, and like most myths there is a little truth in it. Silicone are basically inert, it's what's added to them that them bad.



The Good: Polydimethylsiloxane (PDS) is water based, amino functional silicone that doesn't migrate (dry out) the plasticizers from materials, has less UV radiation absorption and dust attraction properties.

Chemists also use silicones to create water-in-oil emulsions, reduce emulsion particle size, to stabilize emulsions, and to improve spreading and coverage of wax products.



Most modern silicone formulas are water soluble (no petroleum), and are completely inert. The best way to describe most forms of silicone is to think of it as a man-made wax ester. Silicone is created by the reaction generated when you combine fatty acids with Polydimethylsiloxane



The Bad: a cheaper additive to Silicone is Dimethyl, it contains petroleum distillates which are environmentally unsound and give a slick, oily finish, which attracts dust and dirt.

It also causes rubber compounds along with sun iteration to remove the micro-wax in tyres as well as its carbon black (it's what gives tyres their colour) they are often mislabelled as modem /synthetic polymers by manufactures.



The Ugly: Silicone is an active ingredient in sun UV amplification. As a low quality silicone dressing evaporates away, the silicone oil is left behind, the sun then amplifies these residues, and the drying process is accelerated.



All this causes rubber, EDPM, vinyl and plastics to dry out, which turns them grey or brown, losing their flexibility and prematurely fail. Water-based dressings do not contain oils or petroleum distillates and provide a non- greasy, natural looking satin finish.



For a Few Dollars More: Petroleum distillates can be further purified, re-distilled, reacted and combined with various other chemicals to produce a wide range of environmentally safe and useful products. This is rarely done in the automotive industry due to monetary considerations. (See Section 15-1)



In conclusion, to group all silicones into one category and label them harmful, environmentally unsound or dangerous would be both unscientific and without foundation.



~Hope this helps~



Knowledge unshared is experience wasted [each one / teach one]

justadumbarchitect / so I question everything/ JonM
 
Edwin-true, they can compare it to their other products, however, I think what pugoman was interested in was an estimated time frame of durability.
 
Bill D said:
I'd want something that rivals ( possible to surpass??) the look of the best carnauba waxes on the market with additional UV protection. Durability is not high on my list necessarily because I take pleasure in routinely applying the product. To me that's "the main event" of detailing.
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TOGWT said:
Petroleum distillates can be further purified, re-distilled, reacted and combined with various other chemicals to produce a wide range of environmentally safe and useful products. This is rarely done in the automotive industry due to monetary considerations. (See Section 15-1)



JonM
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Hi Jon,



That's an interesting read. Where did you get that information?



I see a reference made to (See Section 15-1).



If its a book, I think I'd like to read it.



Thanks



Mike
 
Bill D said:
I'd want something that rivals ( possible to surpass??) the look of the best carnauba waxes on the market with additional UV protection. Durability is not high on my list necessarily because I take pleasure in routinely applying the product. To me that's "the main event" of detailing.
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You have that already with products like Blackfire and EX; products designed to look like carnaubas but protect better. If you want the oily, rich look of carnauba you'll have to stick with existing waxes. I don't think someone can make a "sealant" that looks like an oil-dense wax and actually call it a sealant.



IOW, a product that looks, feels, and performs like a wax, but is not a wax and has no wax in it, is not doable IMO, at least right now. Vaguely reminds me of a Jack Nicholson movie where he was in a diner ordering a grilled cheese sandwich (or something like that) and the waitress told him grilled cheese wasn't on the menu, eventhough they added cheese to other sandwiches. He orders a club sandwich without the meat, tomato, or lettuce instead.... or tries to order that. I'm sure someone remembers the scene and movie but I think you get my drift.
 
Mike Phillips said:




I have tried it, and I do like it. I have a meeting tomorrow where I will have an opportunity to ask as many questions as I like about this new product. So if there is any question you would like to ask, please post it here, or on Meguiar's Online and I'll do my best to get an answer. No hype, no excitement, (on my part), just answers to your questions.



Is everyone down with that?



Mike
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Well I know that you probably dont want to share your opinon on the "visual" results that you achieved using the sealant so no one else will claim hype and all. But can at least tell us about the prep process you did and how you applied it?? (Cure times, applied by hand or machine, does it need to be reeeallly thin layers like sg and zaino....etc.etc?)



Any info will be appreciated. :xyxthumbs
 
I guess if people are still viewing this thread....here is the link the the Megiuars online tread that Mike Phillips started over there.



http://meguiarsonline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3701&perpage=10&pagenumber=1



I guess keep on eye on this thread if you dont frequent the meg's online forum much. Plus he will more than likely post info over there first then over here. (Not saying that's bad of him or implying anything wrong with that)



I noticed he started his thread on the 17th and mine was started on the 15th...I hope I didnt "make" him release info since I leaked it from a rumor :nixweiss
 
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