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Can anybody help im trying out megs 98 but the directions are a bit vague:(



Im after the length of time it should be left on the car before buffing off and minimum time between layers



Im currently letting it stay on the car for 5-10 mins and allowing approx 3 hours between layers



Results are not as good as expected at the moment :( there not bad though i just feel it could be better;)



Cheers in advance for any help:up
 
Are you sure it is Meguiar's #93? That isn't a Meguiar's product that I have ever heard of before. What is it used for?



Charles:confused:
 
That is Meguiar's Medallion Premium Paint Protection, right?

I used it for years. I used to apply it to the entire vehicle, then start removing it from the areas I did first.

Two things with MPPP. Put it on thin, very thin. It is much easier to remove and doesn't give you a problem with streaking. I don't think multiple apps. will do much other than assure you that you didn't miss an area with the first one. It does have very mild cleaning ability.

If you want to have a really great look, top your MPPP with a coat of 3M Showcar Paste Wax. Put the 3M on very thin, too. It really brought the shine out for me.



Charles
 
Yes Charles is right, should be #98 for Medallion PPP. #97 is the paint cleaner and #96 is the leather stuff of the Medallion line.



Well if what did you do in terms of polishing the paint?



Usually takes 24 hours for a product to cure.
 
Cheers all. it does sound like i havn't left it on long enough,i only put a couple of layers on just in case i missed a bit.Will try it when it stops raining:)
 
Shake well before using -> very important.



Apply thin coats, work product into paint thoroughly.



Allow to cure at least 15 to 20 minutes before removing for best results.



MPPP is easy to wipe off if your coats are thin. Your surface should be in very good to excellent condition. If not, use a paint cleaner to insure the surface is completely clean before application.



I recently spoke with the vice president of research and development, (There is no "President", so he's as high as I can go), and he told me a couple of interesting things,



1. Most interesting. The polymers that "Protect" the best, don't bead water very well. (Medallion Premium Paint Protection doesn't bead water very well, especially after it has been washed even one time).



2. Medallion is currently Meguiar's best protecting product. It is not a wax, it is a polymer.



3. One of the reasons it protects best is because it bonds very tightly to the surface. It uses what is called a "cationic-action", which is over my head, but I will try to find out more about this. Some, not all, of the ingredients in the MPPP have a positive charge. This is part of the cationic-action mechanism. Your car's finish has a negative charge, in the case of a clear coat, a highly negative charge. Anyway, this cationic-action has something to do with the positive molecules of the ingredient in the MPPP attaching itself to the negative atoms/molecules in your car's finish. Thus, a tight or strong bond.



The other part of it's protection is the polymers themselves. They resist attack by substances and elements that would break them down.



I know GuruReports didn't give this wax, or any of Meguiar's waxes too high of a rating, but their tests for durability were based on "Water-Beading".



Conversely, if we assume what our chemists says about, "The best protecting polymers don't bead water very well", is true... then what does that say about waxes that do bead water really well?



Another interesting thing he told me was the exhaust residue from the tailpipes of cars, trucks, and s.u.v.’s, that can build up as a film on the surface of your car’ finish is highly corrosive, full of all kinds of nasty stuff.



This exhaust film, road grime, or whatever you want to call it... beads water very well.



Just something to think about....



I for one really like it when after waxing my car and it gets wet, seeing water bead-up. I think it’s some kind of physiological thing. One of our other chemists says the same thing. We can both discuss intelligent reasons why water beading isn’t a good thing. But, when all is said and done, we both admit we like to see water bead up on are car’s finish.



Go figure….



p.s.



A couple of years ago my wife and I had a booth at a Good Guys’ show in Puyallup WA. This is the show I tell the story about how two days before were supposed to leave for the show the Turbo 350 transmission goes out in my 1966 Chevy Milk Truck. Needless to say, it was one of those things where everything that could go wrong, did go wrong. First, tranny went out, next wiring burn’t up, next brake line went out. Somehow, we made it in the nick of time to set-up our booth. The road test for the used tranny was us leaving our driveway after loading up and driving almost 300 miles. I’m sure glad the tranny worked.





Anyway, at this show, in three days we sold 68 bottles of Medallion. Not because we’re all about making money, were not. We dang near sold out of everything because we believed in the product. All we did was explain to people how the wax worked, the benefit they would get from it and do it in an honest way.



That was without a doubt, one of the most fun shows I ever worked. And by the way, at this time in my life I didn’t work for Meguiar’s, I worked for me, “Professional Surface Care, or ProSurfaceCare. I bought my products from a warehouse like any auto parts store and picked and choosed, which shows I wanted to go to. I paid for my own booth space, (This show was $600.00 for an inside 10 x 20 booth for 3 days. I paid for my hotel for three nights. All of my own gas for the Milk Truck, table cloths, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and on and on…



The idea being… Capitalism. You invest your time, money and labor and if you do a good job, you make a profit, and often times some friends in the process.



We did both.



MPPP - a good product if you’re interested in good protection.



Mike
 
Mike,



I have a request:



Next time you speak with your VP of R&D, ask him to create a white paper detailing the benefits of the polymers he uses in Meguiar's products, describe the advantages and disadvantages of specific polymers, and how these polymers benefit their customers. Have the white paper posted clearly on the Meguiars.com website in a simple PDF file so anyone can download it. Something like this document could really serve Meguiar's customers by providing an education of how and why Meguiar's products work and what the benefits to using them are.



One of the primary benefits of water beading is that it's a simple indicator of existing protection. Anyone can look at their wet car and quickly determine if their wax or sealant is still there. Over the years I've heard many times from industry insiders (mostly Meguiar's employees, to be honest) that water beading is not an accurate measure of protection. But I've never heard of a SUPERIOR method of determining protection. So how can a Meguiar's customer decide for themselves whether or not their wax or sealant is still protecting?



Meguiar's is a big company in this industry. They make a lot of money. A large portion of that money goes toward marketing and product promotion. Couldn't Meguiar's spend a little of their money educating their customers on how and why their products work instead of just marketing to us?



Normally this is a request I'd submit directly to Meguiar's mgmt but I've learned that folks like George Bruggeman (sp?) or Atticus won't listen to someone like me. I'm kinda hoping they'll listen to you because you seem to listen to us.



Anyway, thanks for considering my request. I appreciate the added info on Medallion. :up
 
bretfraz said:
Mike,



I have a request:



Next time you speak with your VP of R&D, ask him to create a white paper detailing the benefits of the polymers he uses in Meguiar's products, describe the advantages and disadvantages of specific polymers, and how these polymers benefit their customers. Have the white paper posted clearly on the Meguiars.com website in a simple PDF file so anyone can download it. Something like this document could really serve Meguiar's customers by providing an education of how and why Meguiar's products work and what the benefits to using them are.
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I like this idea but it will probably never happen. The car wax industry is highly competitive. Our competitors watch us like hawks. I recently put together an article on judging and testing the protective qualities of a wax and most of it was yanked out. The reason? It gave away too much information. (sorry)







One of the primary benefits of water beading is that it's a simple indicator of existing protection. Anyone can look at their wet car and quickly determine if their wax or sealant is still there. Over the years I've heard many times from industry insiders (mostly Meguiar's employees, to be honest) that water beading is not an accurate measure of protection. But I've never heard of a SUPERIOR method of determining protection. So how can a Meguiar's customer decide for themselves whether or not their wax or sealant is still protecting?
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You make an excellent point. I too think that water beading is an excellent, Visual Indicator that quickly and easily can tell you if you still have protection on the surface.



I also agree that the lack of water beading also makes it hard to tell if you still have protection... so then, how does one tell?





Meguiar's is a big company in this industry. They make a lot of money. A large portion of that money goes toward marketing and product promotion. Couldn't Meguiar's spend a little of their money educating their customers on how and why their products work instead of just marketing to us?
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Well, were working on that. Recently I wrote "Tech Bulletins" for ALL Meguiar's products. They will be available on our website.



Right now, I working on a new FAQ, it too will act to educate not only on our products, but on a variety of topics that people have questions about.



I have finished 40 pages of FAQ related material, (without pictures), and my margins are set at .5 all the way around, single spacing. In front of me right now I have at least 20 more questions to address....





Normally this is a request I'd submit directly to Meguiar's mgmt but I've learned that folks like George Bruggeman (sp?) or Atticus won't listen to someone like me. I'm kinda hoping they'll listen to you because you seem to listen to us.
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Correct spelling = Brueggeman



I'm big on sharing with people how and why things work. I hope most of you here would agree, that I don't ever do this,



Use this product, its' the best, take my word for it



Anyway, there are two primary camps in Meguiar's, the marketing group and the technical group. I fall into the technical group. I like less fluff and more data. That said, it's hard to please everyone, and because of the reasons stated previously, (Our competitors watch us like a hawk), it's hard to present too much technical information if it compromises our technology.



I know that's not the answer you want, but that's marketing reality.







Anyway, thanks for considering my request. I appreciate the added info on Medallion. :up
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Thanks for feeling like you can ask. I do voice my opinion when I can to both of the above people and they do listen to me. They do however have to weigh my thoughts/suggestions/opinions against others and then come to their own conclusions.



And while I do work for Meguiar's, I like many of you and a simple car nut. I started out this way, and I'll end up this way. I like cars. My favorite part is polishing the paint on them.



Sometimes I'm sure people figure that if I post something here, on my forum or another, that I'm just a company hack, but the truth is far from that. Once cars get into your blood... I don't think it ever gets out....



Example: My wife Lynn and I hope to put a blown gorilla block in her caddy down the road... why? because we want to. :D
 
Mike Phillips said:






You make an excellent point. I too think that water beading is an excellent, Visual Indicator that quickly and easily can tell you if you still have protection on the surface.



I also agree that the lack of water beading also makes it hard to tell if you still have protection... so then, how does one tell?
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Just to clarify, this is in the context of a wax that beads water really well to start with.



If the wax is designed not to bead water then this would be a poor indicator.



I hope I didn't confuse anybody.
 
Mike,



I used this product exculsively on my previous Lexus RX300 (Black).



Prior prep was the PPC, which worked very well and assisted in bonding the PPP. It lasted (PPP) a very long time and yes, water doesn't reallyt bead, but sheets off and can tell by the lack of friction holding the water on the finish.



The cleaner does seem to remove some swirls, found it interesting as a chemical type cleaner. How much can be actually removed by PPC?



FYI, Still haven't had the opportunity to try the #20 on the company car yet as all these virus/worm issues has been driving me nuts!



Keep up the good work.



Regards,

Deanski
 
Mike I remember you once said that #26 is not really a regular carnuba wax, but rather a polymer synthetic. Could you elaborate on that? And what would be your comparison of #26 and MPPP?
 
Acura_RL said:
Mike I remember you once said that #26 is not really a regular carnuba wax, but rather a polymer synthetic. Could you elaborate on that? And what would be your comparison of #26 and MPPP?
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What I meant is this, #26 isn't what you can consider a Carnauba wax, as in a wax based primarily on Carnauba. Carnauba is just one of many ingredients.



#26 is a blended wax. It is a blend of an number of key ingredients. This way you get the benefits from a number of different ingredients instead of relying on just the benefits and features of one ingredient, Carnauba.



Carnauba best benefit is it acts to form a barrier-film on the surface to which it is applied to protect the underlying surface from attack and moisture. Moisture in the air, inclement weather, car washing, etc. Moisture initiates and causes oxidation on all paints.



Carnauba best features is it adds gloss.



Take the apple industry for example.



Apple growers spray a coating of carnauba wax over their apples to do two things.



1. Seal the apple skin to lock in freshness and slow down deterioration.



2. Add gloss, it makes the surface of the apple clear and glossy.



Who here doesn't want to eat a clear, glossy, beautiful apple?



Carnauba is good for adding gloss and beauty to a smootht surface. Other ingredients are better for creating clarity and protecting.



Mike
 
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