Megs #16 - An Apology

35TH LE said:
....my recent "click and brag" thread.... please take note of my self portrait in the passenger door panel.
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Did you gain anything (clarity, depth, etc) from applying the #16 two times? I noticed it in your list of steps, and was wondering as the depth/clarity is CRAZY!



TH001 said:
Zaino Z-2 Pro, great gloss, outstanding clarity, plasticy depth and no warmth
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Like overly wet looking to the point of being fake? No depth and CRAZY-shine? :think:
 
RogueM3 said:
Did you gain anything (clarity, depth, etc) from applying the #16 two times? I noticed it in your list of steps, and was wondering as the depth/clarity is CRAZY!
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Im not sure.. after the first coat, I actually applied the night before the pics, the truck looked killer. However.. it was such a large vehicle that to ensure I covered everything I went at it again. I might have gained some.. but the night before the truck looked just as stunning.. it was just too dark to take pics.



Here is a couple pics I took of a Coca~Cola machine reflection the night before after removing the first coat. The shop I was working in had this machine right inside the bay I was working in.



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Those are the only pics I have after one coat of #16.
 
35TH LE said:
I beg to differ on #16s ability to show "some gloss and no clarity". I would have to say that #16 has high gloss and extremely clear clarity.
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Don't forget depth and wetness!



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"Like overly wet looking to the point of being fake? No depth and CRAZY-shine?"



Yeah like really glossy plastic. Shiny and reflective, but its all on the surface.
 
TH0001 said:
"Like overly wet looking to the point of being fake? No depth and CRAZY-shine?"



Yeah like really glossy plastic. Shiny and reflective, but its all on the surface.
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That's the impression I get every time I see pictures of cars done with Zaino. They remind me of objects dipped in acrylic and buffed out. Shine, but no warmth, no wetness, and different kind of depth, one laminated menu in restaurant has.
 
ZoranC said:
That's the impression I get every time I see pictures of cars done with Zaino. They remind me of objects dipped in acrylic and buffed out. Shine, but no warmth, no wetness, and different kind of depth, one laminated menu in restaurant has.
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Hmm...I love the wet look, but definitely am turned off by your description. Nattys blue is pretty fantastic for wetness, clarity, and depth, imho, however.
 
RogueM3 said:
Hmm...I love the wet look, but definitely am turned off by your description. Nattys blue is pretty fantastic for wetness, clarity, and depth, imho, however.
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Nattys is awesome and smells great too!!!
 
They remind me of objects dipped in acrylic and buffed out. Shine, but no warmth, no wetness, and different kind of depth, one laminated menu in restaurant has.
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I can't agree with this since the newer formulations cames out. I did a Ford F-150 with Z-5 Pro and it looks very similar in appearance to the wetness of Souveran.



As for warmth, I think that may be related to how carnauba will slightly darken paint. I like Zaino's optical clarity which lets the paint color and flake shine through.



It's like having a very neutral high end stereo system that let's the recording play in all its glory; the sealant just is a "truth teller" about what is going on underneath.
 
SilverLexus said:
I can't agree with this since the newer formulations cames out.
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I was basing my feelings on what I saw, including pictures on Zaino's Web site. I admit what I did see is far from exhaustive portfolio of details with Zaino, and that I did not know about change that might have affected my impressions, so while my comment is correct from perspective of personal impressions from personal experiences it might well not be correct in general. To know better I would really need to see results of new formulas in person.



In the meantime, I like your analogy of being transparency to paint underneath. That truck's black, while still being very very nice looking and technically flawless, still doesn't stirr emotions in me while wax on Scott's car does. Personally I would not call it wet. However, I would have to see it in person to be sure of that.



I am not kind of a guy that doesn't have an open mind. I have two black cars that I am planning to detail. One I am looking to sell and other one I am definitely keeping. I was planning on using M16 on both. I think I will, if I can, try M16 on one for sale and try Z5 Pro on one I am keeping and then I will be able to form better impression.
 
To know better I would really need to see results of new formulas in person.
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You really need to try the products in person before judging them.



Here is the picture of my #26 still waterbeading after 6 months
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I'm not buying it. No carnauba beads well after six months unless kept in a garage.



I am going to be topping zaino with 16 think it will be worth the effort?
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Topping Zaino with #16 will remove much of its benefits of clarity. Better to top Zaino with Z-8 for a slick finish.
 
SilverLexus said:
No carnauba beads well after six months unless kept in a garage.
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I applied Collinite 845 to my non-garaged, daily driver in April. Aquawaxed in June, just washed once every two weeks or so since then. When I re-did the whole thing in October, water was still beading. Not much slickness or gloss, but there was obviously still something there. Out in the beating sun all summer. I also get about 3 months out of Souveran in summer. I'm not saying these products are going to outlast Zaino, which I have never even tried, but I think its unfair to say that no carnauba will last 6 months.



Jeez, this thread was started about Megs #16, and now its drifted off into the Zaino vs. Carnauba battle.
 
SilverLexus said:
You really need to try the products in person before judging them.
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No question about that, that's what I said myself first. Please notice though that when it comes to looks lots of it is about personal impressions, which is not same as judging. I just expressed what feeling something creates in me personally.
 
SilverLexus said:
I'm still skeptical...
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Since this is a topic on #16 lets get back on topic.



As someone who has actually used this product (#16) for 17 years I can attest that I consistently get 4-5 months of protection from #16.



My 91 MR2 was mostly protected by #16 up until two years ago when I started using NXT Tech Wax. I still top the NXT with #16 when going into winter. This was a daily driver that spent at least two thirds of it's life outdoors.



So here is what the paint looks like after being protected by #16 for all those bitter Wisconsin winters. Typically, waxed in October and again in March. This car was kept in a high pollution area, surrounded on three sides by freeways and toss in a foundry and coal fired power plant.



Be a skeptic if you want but I have seen the results year after year. The paint today looks as good or better than it did when it was new. #16 rocks.



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