Maybe we need a product truce...
- Thread starter SilverLexus
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imported_paradigm
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i disagree...either you use what i say is best or you are all dumb poopie heads!!!!!!!!!! WHAAAAHHHH!!!!!:nana:
i agree with everyone above...there have only been a few threads that stick out in my mind about getting unfriendly...those were a few zaino and OTC topics. i was impressed how some of the members stepped in and handled the situation and brought them back on topic, etc.
summary: arguing about car care products is...um...ridiculous. you put goo on the paint, take it off, and the paint is shiny. done. :chuckle:
i agree with everyone above...there have only been a few threads that stick out in my mind about getting unfriendly...those were a few zaino and OTC topics. i was impressed how some of the members stepped in and handled the situation and brought them back on topic, etc.
summary: arguing about car care products is...um...ridiculous. you put goo on the paint, take it off, and the paint is shiny. done. :chuckle:
imported_mburnickas
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Lets face it, we all have issues!! LOL
Glossmaster
New member
GregCavi said:
Man law it is!
Count me in as one Autopian who refrains from opining on products I've never used. Having said that.........My arsenal is quite huge & ever expanding simply due to the fact that I like "hands on- real world" experience with most of the products used & discussed here, on this forum. That way I can decide for myself, form my own educated opinion & compare/contrast others product experiences. What makes this forum so great is realizing there's other individuals who are like myself & have a true passion for detailing & detailing products. It seems too often, that narrow mindedness prevails with some of the posters here & I feel that is a shame. Just because someone has an opinion that differs from your own doesn't mean that their opinion is "right or wrong". Let's face it.......We all learn something new here everyday. Let's embrace this forum for what it is..........And it is what we choose to make of it, whether it's information exchange, a learning tool, a resource, a forum which to build relationships within our community etc..........
Bigpoppa3346
New member
I totally agree. Just find something you like, and use it...
Some products here, like Collinite, don't get praise for it's good looks. However, in my eyes, it produces one of the best looks for *my* car and the people's cars that *I* detail that I have seen. Other products which recieve much praise here, like Jeffs Werkstatt, I am less than enthusiastic about, because of it's observed lackluster durability and IMO sterile looks.
It is purely subjective, folks. If you have tried a product, like it, and want to tell other people about your positive experience with it, then go for it. However, there are some people on this board(Zaino guys) that have turned me off to the product by saying that it is better than anything out there(although their new CS and Z-AIO sure look tempting) and nothing else compares. For them, it may be the best, but for others it may not be.
Just find something you like, and use it often (I believe Mike Phillips said that).
Some products here, like Collinite, don't get praise for it's good looks. However, in my eyes, it produces one of the best looks for *my* car and the people's cars that *I* detail that I have seen. Other products which recieve much praise here, like Jeffs Werkstatt, I am less than enthusiastic about, because of it's observed lackluster durability and IMO sterile looks.
It is purely subjective, folks. If you have tried a product, like it, and want to tell other people about your positive experience with it, then go for it. However, there are some people on this board(Zaino guys) that have turned me off to the product by saying that it is better than anything out there(although their new CS and Z-AIO sure look tempting) and nothing else compares. For them, it may be the best, but for others it may not be.
Just find something you like, and use it often (I believe Mike Phillips said that).
Glossmaster
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In my previous posted reply to this thread, I used a term I often use. "Passion". Because I have nothing better to do this evening,(lol) I decided to look up the definition of "passion" in the Webster's dictionary because I feel it really applies to many of us here in the world of Autopia.
PASSION: 1. Any emotion as hate, love, fear etc. 2. Intense emotional excitement, as rage, enthusiasm, lust etc.
Isn't it amzaing just how much "intense emotional excitement" detailing products facilitate? I'm grateful for this community & it's abilty to allow me to excercise my "passion" for detailing & detailing products.
PASSION: 1. Any emotion as hate, love, fear etc. 2. Intense emotional excitement, as rage, enthusiasm, lust etc.
Isn't it amzaing just how much "intense emotional excitement" detailing products facilitate? I'm grateful for this community & it's abilty to allow me to excercise my "passion" for detailing & detailing products.
I think we should all respectfully debate as needed without resorting to personal attacks, or taking another's opinion personally. Just because I like product A and someone else likes product B and we are both passionate about the reasons, doesn't mean we can't have a meaniful dialogue about the merits of both product-provided we stick to the facts. I do think one should actually use a product before forming an opinion about it.
Bigpoppa3346 said:
:LOLOL Funny how different eyes see things differently! I like Collinite but it looks too bright to me, especially on dark colors and I love how Werkstatt products look and last. It is just interesting how two different people can have such differring views when using the same products. That is why one should be open to product discussions and take in more than one opinion before trying something new.
beemerboy1
New member
This is why the auto care industry is so big, everyone has their favorites....
I just hope that when people post here about one that they have some hands on experience with it and not the typical I have a buddy that uses it.
I just hope that when people post here about one that they have some hands on experience with it and not the typical I have a buddy that uses it.
David Fermani
Forza Auto Salon
ret said:
I agree. Most people here hate the products I endorse and have been vocal about it on threads and PM's, but I don't like to bash others. It only shows true professionalism.
Pennypacker
New member
What's that saying: disagreeing without being disagreeable.
I think that's a good rule of thumb, except when it comes to NXT which is total f'n cr@p! My uncle's buddy's friend tried it once.
I think that's a good rule of thumb, except when it comes to NXT which is total f'n cr@p! My uncle's buddy's friend tried it once.
Pennypacker said:
I agree. However, it's too utopian to think we can call a truce in Autopia. Instead, we can approach a different and new product with a healthy skepticism until we try it. A big company I used to work for actually made new employees take a seminar on, "constructive confrontation". It allowed a healthy environment to bring new ideas w/out being shouting down. New ideas (products, technology,techniques) allowed for further refinement - or they died a graceful death once it was proven wrong. Product, technology, techniques evolve... I remember that about 20 years ago, using baby diapers was the cat's meow in regards to detailing a car. I still have baby diapers in my garage - somewhere.
"note to self: find the bag and use it for underbody, tires and throw them away"
SVR
Dream Machines
I don't have a problem with what someone else uses or if they don't like what I use.
Results you get from any product depend on condition of your paint, age, what you've treated it with before and even the brand and colour. I find that you can use the same polish line up on a new car or near new car and get good results but leave that car without protection and neglect it for a couple of years and try the same products and you will get a magical finish as the paint has been oxidised (how much depends), weather hardened and the regular contact with sunlight made the paint respond better to levelers and polishes (this happened to a friends car)
I personally don't understand how some people get such poor durability with sealers
It's all prep and even the mixing.
If a product doesn't provide slickness durability you like or slickness is great but another factor is lacking, then mix it with another sealant that delivers that factor.
Take JW for instance. Did any of you do the right polishing prep before hand, strip the polishing oils, use prime only or prime acrylic, prime acrylic and carnauba together and if you only applied any of the primes by hand, you won't get the orange peel hiding,permanent (only removed by machine) rock hard glassy layer and wetness magnifying effects that you will by rotary with an ultra soft pad. Especially by soaking the pad in hot water and then spin off the water with the machine and then use it before it cools
That's what my car's paint is like. Whatever peel has remained from quite a bit of polishing over the past couple years has been hidden by the layer over the top of it.
At first I thought the prime removed the peel but when I re applied clearkote VM, the peel returned.
AJT over the top of that by using the spray and wipe method up to eight times will enhance the glassy look and improve depth a little but no sealant provides true depth.
personally, five coats of aquawax during and after each wash certainly improves my car's looks with seven coats of AJT on it.
Don't forget, not all cars have 2K baked enamel finishes. An acrylic, acrylic laquer or other finish may not allow a product to provide the same results.
Results you get from any product depend on condition of your paint, age, what you've treated it with before and even the brand and colour. I find that you can use the same polish line up on a new car or near new car and get good results but leave that car without protection and neglect it for a couple of years and try the same products and you will get a magical finish as the paint has been oxidised (how much depends), weather hardened and the regular contact with sunlight made the paint respond better to levelers and polishes (this happened to a friends car)
I personally don't understand how some people get such poor durability with sealers
It's all prep and even the mixing.
If a product doesn't provide slickness durability you like or slickness is great but another factor is lacking, then mix it with another sealant that delivers that factor.
Take JW for instance. Did any of you do the right polishing prep before hand, strip the polishing oils, use prime only or prime acrylic, prime acrylic and carnauba together and if you only applied any of the primes by hand, you won't get the orange peel hiding,permanent (only removed by machine) rock hard glassy layer and wetness magnifying effects that you will by rotary with an ultra soft pad. Especially by soaking the pad in hot water and then spin off the water with the machine and then use it before it cools
That's what my car's paint is like. Whatever peel has remained from quite a bit of polishing over the past couple years has been hidden by the layer over the top of it.
At first I thought the prime removed the peel but when I re applied clearkote VM, the peel returned.
AJT over the top of that by using the spray and wipe method up to eight times will enhance the glassy look and improve depth a little but no sealant provides true depth.
personally, five coats of aquawax during and after each wash certainly improves my car's looks with seven coats of AJT on it.
Don't forget, not all cars have 2K baked enamel finishes. An acrylic, acrylic laquer or other finish may not allow a product to provide the same results.
3Dog
New member
Sergei said:
I still use diapers (TOL) for wax removal!
Accumulator
Well-known member
It could be that I've only seen certain (OK) threads, but it seems that recently we've been able to respectfully accept that experiences vary/agree-to-disagree a bit more than in the past.
Over the last few days there've been a few threads where products/techniques that don't do it for me but *do* work great for others have been discussed without any apparent problems.
Seems like a little civility, and a thoughtful pause before taking or giving offense, can go a long way.
Over the last few days there've been a few threads where products/techniques that don't do it for me but *do* work great for others have been discussed without any apparent problems.
Seems like a little civility, and a thoughtful pause before taking or giving offense, can go a long way.
SilverLexus
Super Enthusiast
Very true.
Bigpoppa3346
New member
Scottwax said:
This is what I mean. The "best" product for you may not be the "best" product for someone else (although those Zaino products do seem to get universal praise).
In order to find the "best" product for you, you need to spend a little $$ and do some experimentation. If a product works well for you, great, but that doesn't mean everyone else will like it.
Woob
New member
How many times do I have to say, Skill & Knowledge > Product. Ask anyone that's is good and has survived the market.
Bigpoppa3346
New member
SilvaBimma said:
Ehh, I think that while good results can be achieved with most products, better results can be achieved with some products over others.
imported_memnuts
New member
Nothing wrong with being passionate about what you use or what works within one's limitations (schedule, family, living in general, etc.).
It would be nice if everyone would be a little more respectful of the wonderful producers of these great products that we now have to choose from.
In my opinion the majority of available elite products that we discuss will produce wonderful results. I can not think of a single product that is completely trash if one operations within the perimeters and directions of the item.
Choose your poison and go to work. This is suppose to be fun for most of us.
It would be nice if everyone would be a little more respectful of the wonderful producers of these great products that we now have to choose from.
In my opinion the majority of available elite products that we discuss will produce wonderful results. I can not think of a single product that is completely trash if one operations within the perimeters and directions of the item.
Choose your poison and go to work. This is suppose to be fun for most of us.