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NY detailer said:


I also find it hard to believe that you have never tried to beat the system before. We all have tried. I just found a way to do it at one place.
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There is a difference between beating the system, and theft!





Its like being pulled for speeding, "Sir, I clocked you at 80 in a 65, No officer I was doing 98 and I want you to right the ticket for that speed damnit cause Im Honest! Geez
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Actually, this is beating the system.



Well it seems like i pissed off every mod on autopia. Now the question you need to ask yourself is: Do i really care?
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You are on a public forum that can be accessed at any time by your customers, yet you admit to commiting acts of fraud and theft. These are the people who's opinion you should care about.



Brian, I am not trying to flame or offend you here. I respect you and I feel that the advice you give here is among the best that Autopia has to offer. Unfortunately, this advice is not so golden.
 
This is what i have to say.



I come foward and tell the truth about something and all of a sudden I am not a good business person and dont run my business right. Thats what gets me real mad. I run my business perfect. If a customer want s a MF i give it to them. If a customer gets over on me, then dam they deserve it because I am hard to get over on. If i go to staples and get over on them making copies, does that make me a bad person NO. Does that mean I run a bad business, NO. If staples went out of business it would not be because of me and my coping. If they were so worried about it, then dont have self serve coping.



You are all making me look bad over something that is nothing. Dont tell me that others have not done something like this. I dont believe it.

Am i going to go to hell because of this no, but i bet ya I am going there for other stuff I have done anyway :cool:



If someone was not to come to me for detailing becuase of this that is there loss.

If you all look at me a different way now, then thats your loss too.

I am honest and upfront with everyone all the time. So it seems when you are honest you need to watch watch what you say.
 
Get off his back, and your high horses. It was wrong what NY detailer did do. Though, now I am going to ask all of you. Have you ever lied in a bad way? Don't say no or I'll call you a liar, and that is what you will be.. again. Have you ever stole anything before? Don't sit here and bash the poor man. Maybe some of the prices detailers charge for their services is rediculus and wrong itself. No matter the amount you believe the service is worth. Besides, consumers have more control over our prices then any detailer has. It has to do with demand and supply and a lot of economic terms and models. So he made a mistake, SO HAVE YOU in your life. Don't sit here and be all mighty and prideful and bash one of the PRO fellow autopians. So he cheated the system A LITTLE. Anyone ever recieve tips after detailing. TAX FREE? mmmm then maybe the way you are crucifying him you ought to be done the same. I don't appreciate the way you take a human and gang up on him and do this. NY detailer next time pay for all the copies because it is not worth getting caught and having a record. You have to weigh the costs. What you did is almost identical to going out on halloween and taking more than one piece of candy in a pail that was left un-attended. My run-down of his actions and your result like this.





NY detailer, it was wrong plain and simple.



Autopians that crucify him over something so small is wrong plain and simple. While they know that they have done some of the same things ONCE in their life times in another form. To say that you NEVER have done anything on the same level is a lie plain and simple. Also, WORSE than him, because while he did it and admitted it, telling the truth, YOU are hypocrits if any of you will deny EVER doing such things. So, not only have you done some of the same things, you lie about doing them, or not thinking and crucifying someone and forgetting what you have done.



NY detailer, if you apologize and try to realize what you have done is wrong and fix it, then I have more respect for you then others who do not.



Lastly, I think fellow autopians should be understanding, and realize that somewhere along the line they have done the same type of things once or twice etc.



Ny detailer apologize; AS well as the ones who so rudely made him feel like the scum that he is not.( maybe he is but, you don't know that for sure and neither do I. Based on what he said there should never have been this type of brutalizing)



If anyone feels this post to be too strong and out of line, then I suggest locking this thread before world war 3 happens. Having said all that, I have spent a good portion of my time in school to study ethics and have taken courses on it.





I am not justifying what he did. Though, what SOME of you have done is just plain rude.















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i'm not on any high horse here but at least you have to admit he shouldn't have recommended this to other members. how could you advise others to steal? do what you want, but you shouldn't tell others to do this. wasn't your pc stolen not too long ago? i guess they were ok because they were just cheating the system like all the rest of us.
 
It was wrong. Some of the members comments are wrong as well. lol so you are the perfect angel or anyone else? Never done anything wrong? You ever speed before 15 over the speed limit? lol, not only did you endanger yourself, but the lives of everyone else on the road as well, knowingly. Any-more examples you want me to give? lol, to make someone feel what they did was a horrible thing and make them feel like a bad human being is just ignorant. All of us have sped in our lives at some point, and not thinking what the consequences could be. (He didn't think about what possible consequences could occur with law and customers.) The car situation is far worse than him stealing some paper. So, while what he did was wrong, you can just be a TAD bit more kind in how you go about talking to him. Help him, don't crucify him and brutalize him. I hope everyone has learned something here.





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It was wrong. Some of the members comments are wrong as well. lol so you are the perfect angel or anyone else? Never done anything wrong? You ever speed before 15 over the speed limit? lol, not only did you endanger yourself, but the lives of everyone else on the road as well, knowingly. Any-more examples you want me to give? lol, to make someone feel what they did was a horrible thing and make them feel like a bad human being is just ignorant. All of us have sped in our lives at some point, and not thinking what the consequences could be. They are worse then him stealing some paper. So, while what he did was wrong, you can just be a TAD bit more kind in how you go about talking to him. Help him, don't crucify him and brutalize him. I hope everyone has leanred something here.





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sorry for my bad grammar - it happens. NY Detailer's pc was stolen. he should know what it's like to get ripped off.
 
Knight said:
What you did is almost identical to going out on halloween and taking more than one piece of candy in a pail that was left un-attended.
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Are you serious? Paying for one third of the product you leave the store with is the same as taking two free candies instead of one?

the ones who so rudely made him feel like the scum that he is not.
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You can not come on a public forum talking about how you lied in order to rip off a business of their merchandise and not expect some kind of backlash. What if it was CMA or your business that got ripped off? What if you left a PC in a customers car? is it still fair game?



I am not justifying what he did. Though, what SOME of you have done is just plain rude.
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I don't think anyone in this thread was rude in any way.
 
You have lied? Is that insane? You have sped? is that insane? you might have even stole something once? is that insane? You have done many things wrong? Is that insane?



What is insane is to lie about not doing such things. You have never lied? Waiting for your answer and an apology for calling me insane. I on't want to fight, but you have made mistakes and I am not insane for making sure you remember them and not crucifying other members on the board.





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I think this has gotten way outta hand. Their is not one perfect person on this board, or on Earth for that matter. No one has ever did something similar, cheated on a test, took bubble gum as a child, SPED IN A CAR, lied to a telemarketer, parent, girlfriend, found change left at the carwash coin op, got back more change than you deserved without telling the person, DO YA'LL REPORT ALL TAXES ON YOUR DETAILS, EVEN THE CASH JOBS??? Oh, sorry Mr. Uncle Sam, I detailed the neighbors car for 100.00 , and forgot to send/report the 30% here is your money, etc. Anyways, the whole point to NY post, was to HELP people with his marketing ideas, not how to run a scam 101. If any of us are without sin, cast the first stone.... :mad: :sosad :sosad :sosad :sosad
 
Did you miss the rest of my post? I said what he did was wrong. Did you forget that part of it?



You can not come on a public forum talking about how you lied in order to rip off a business of their merchandise and not expect some kind of backlash. What if it was CMA or your business that got ripped off? What if you left a PC in a customers car? is it still fair game?
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That doesn't mean anything. If CMA did that they would be wrong. We are talking about a cutomer shopping and stealing some paper. You are talking about a company scamming everyone. ( Maybe you want to explain how you can compare enron or CMA to ny Detailer?) It was wrong and some of you were rude. your not perfect, tell him in a nicer way next time.



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Knight,

I apoligize for calling what you said insane. i just dont like being called a liar by someone who doesn't even know me. my problem was that he came on a public forum and told everybody to do what he did. yes i have done stupid things, but i would never come on here or any public forum and tell others to do the same. in my opinion, that is irresponsible.
 
Funny how people get so offended when being called a liar about things that are abviously a lie? It is the truth. I intened for people to get angry about my thread and that part you mentioned, though they should not because it is the truth. He might not have been thinking when he posted that. Though, I am not too sure people were thinking when they responded to him. Ohhhhhh loook what he did he is a bad man bad man. He stole not all, but 1/3 of the paper. Is it really that necessary to criticize him that much. I am not saying all of you did it badly, but some people here really did write some nasty things.





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Knight said:
Did you miss the rest of my post? I said what he did was wrong. Did you forget that part of it?
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No I did not forget that part of it, but you are minimalising his actions by comparing it to taking free candy.









That doesn't mean anything. If CMA did that they would be wrong. We are talking about a cutomer shopping and stealing some paper. You are talking about a company scamming everyone. It was wrong and some of you were rude. your not perfect, tell him in a nicer way next time.



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The point I was trying to make is, what if someone was ripping off CMA? Would it bother you? Would you care that the costs will be passed on to you?



I do not think I am better than anyone here. I have done many things in life that I am not proud of. Things that are a lot worse than petty theft or fraud. I feel that I am lucky to be alive when so many of my former friends are dead or in prison. I also don't agree with what you said about people responding in a rude way in this thread.



He chose to come here and advise people to steal, and being a public forum, we have the right to respond.
 
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Funny how people get so offended when being called a liar about things that are abviously a lie? It is the truth. I intened for people to get angry about my thread and that part you mentioned, though they should not because it is the truth. He might not have been thinking when he posted that. Though, I am not too sure people were thinking when they responded to him. Ohhhhhh loook what he did he is a bad man bad man. He stole not all, but 1/3 of the paper. Is it really that necessary to criticize him that much. I am not saying all of you did it badly, but some people here really did write some nasty things.





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...but why would you tell others to steal :nixweiss
 
taking free candy
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First of all, usually the pails say something to the effect take only one piece?



My point was this.



shoot someone in the head

taking more paper than you paid for.



the nature of stealing some pieces of paper.

taking too many pieces of candy when your only suppose to take one. ( these two fit better than the above two don't you agree?)





The nature of the crime was not as big as shooting someone in the head or doing a lot of other things.



*I was simply saying the crime was not as bad as everyone led on.* That is what my candy example was for.







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Why would you tell others to steal?



just look at these and think about them.



Stealing money 1.2 billion dollars robbing a bank



Enron stealing from soo many and causing thousands to lose their jobs, while they get righ.





stealing a plasma TV and other merchandise.





Stealing a DVD or CD





Stealing a magazine







Stealing some paper.



Some of you have called this guy out like he is of the worst crooks out there. please.



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What about someone who has lost everything and is homeless and is on their last day of life if they don't get something to eat? They have already been foodless for 5 days. They will die on this day if they do not get something to eat.



Would it be wrong if this person stole to survive?



"Why would you tell others to steal?"



This is extreme, but that might be one case where you might suggest that person to steal something. What if they had a family too, a child about 5 years of age. That is based on survival, but never the less it is a case that you might want to think about.



Can you figure out the above part?







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Knight said:
the nature of stealing some pieces of paper.

taking too many pieces of candy when your only suppose to take one. ( these two fit better than the above two don't you agree?)



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I see what you are saying, but the difference is when someone puts free candy out, they expect nothing back for it. If someone takes it all and they don't know about it, it does not affect the person who left the candy in the pail.



The store owner depends on selling the paper to feed his family. When someone takes more than they bought, the store owner suffers a financial loss which he will certainly pass on to the paying customers.
 
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Can you figure out the above part?

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yeah, so, i think i've just been insulted, but just to clarify your order of things. some paper in this case is $100 worth of copied paper.



and...i think you were right about your example being extreme and not applying here.



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hmmm this thread has gotten way off the topic and you now what... I don't really see it going anywhere fast.



Your post about what you think and what you believe isn't going to change anyone's opinion of what NYDetailer posted. It think it was stupid to attack him for it in the first place and it probably wasn't the best thing he could have done to post it. Maybe tell him it was wrong, sure that is fine but this... 3 pages of posts... wow...



You know the saying, "Opinions are like a-holes, everyone has one and they stink."



NYDetailer, please make a new thread with your new marketing idea and let us have this one die and be forgotten.
 
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