M95 Vs. M105 (Again)

I'm one of the few that tried 105 and didn't get the learning curve right. I'll freely admit I have have a lot of "quit" in me (borrowed that from Ron White) and if it ain't user friendly I give the hell up. That said, I believe I would be better off with 84 or 85 and just work it a little longer if I were chosing a Megs product. All ya'll that get M105, my hat is off to you, salute!
 
TH0001 said:
In my opinion after recentely using M95 on quite a few cars, I would choose M105.



In comparision to each other...



M105 has more cut then M95, in terms of defect removal after an application. M105 also breaks down in 5-20 seconds a wool pad, where as M95 has a more traditional working time (much wetter) and breaks down in 30 seconds or more. The cut difference is small enough, but M105 is definetly more aggressive and does the job much quicker.



For the amount of cut M95 has (it has a lot, just not quite M105 amount) it does finish down pretty nice, but nowhere near as nice as M105 (when worked properly and quickly).



M105 is much more finicky and sometimes is just a pain in the butt to use. It can smear, gum up, be stubborn to remove basically when ever it wants to. M95 by comparision is much more user friendly.



If you could only have 1, then M95 might be the better choice because it has consistant results, where as M105 can act horribly on certain cars. However, when M105 is on, nothing touches it, not even M95 IMO.
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This is exactly the stuff I'm looking for. Thank you very much, Todd.



I'm glad to hear that even you pros experience the odd problem with 105. I was thinking it was just me. It probably *is* me, but still it's nice to know that others find it finicky too.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Hmmm....



So for a rotary newbie, would you recommend m95 over 105 Todd?
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I know you asked Todd specifically, but I just gotta add my two cents on this one...



Rob, since you're new to the rotary, you won't have been pre-trained on other polishes. That's a good thing, cause with M105 you have to pretty much un-learn everything you've learned about polishing and start over completely.



Even with as much cutting power as M105 has, Meguairs has added some safe guards to it. You simply can't work it very long, it won't let you. That being the case, it's actually a pretty new-guy safe compound. Just don't do a bunch of repeated applications on the same area, and you should be ok.



If you don't like the way an M105 polished area came out, just hit it with SIP or 106 to remove the haze/swirls, etc. But don't do another application of the 105.
 
SuperBee364 said:
I know you asked Todd specifically, but I just gotta add my two cents on this one...



Rob, since you're new to the rotary, you won't have been pre-trained on other polishes. That's a good thing, cause with M105 you have to pretty much un-learn everything you've learned about polishing and start over completely.



Even with as much cutting power as M105 has, Meguairs has added some safe guards to it. You simply can't work it very long, it won't let you. That being the case, it's actually a pretty new-guy safe compound. Just don't do a bunch of repeated applications on the same area, and you should be ok.



If you don't like the way an M105 polished area came out, just hit it with SIP or 106 to remove the haze/swirls, etc. But don't do another application of the 105.
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Thanks for that, makes a lot of sense!



For a car that has some fairly bad swirls, but is otherwise in pretty good condition (no or few RIDS etc) what pad would you start out with? PFW?
 
Rob Tomlin said:
Thanks for that, makes a lot of sense!



For a car that has some fairly bad swirls, but is otherwise in pretty good condition (no or few RIDS etc) what pad would you start out with? PFW?
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PFW works really well with M105, as long as you keep the pad slightly moistened with a good QD. Otherwise it gums up really fast. Spurring between each application helps alot, too.



You're gonna love this stuff.
 
SuperBee364 said:
PFW works really well with M105, as long as you keep the pad slightly moistened with a good QD. Otherwise it gums up really fast. Spurring between each application helps alot, too.



You're gonna love this stuff.
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You cost me some dough today pal!



Just ordered m105, 3 PFW pads (I already had two, but that's just not enough) and the spur from ADS! The 105 is only $23.95 for 32 ounces, not a bad price. And the 3 pack of PFW was $29.95, which is about $10 each.



:bigups



Edit: may be getting the 105 locally to insure I will have it this weekend.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
You cost me some dough today pal!



Just ordered m105, 3 PFW pads (I already had two, but that's just not enough) and the spur from ADS! The 105 is only $23.95 for 32 ounces, not a bad price. And the 3 pack of PFW was $29.95, which is about $10 each.



:bigups
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LoL, it's never quite enough, is it? :) I'm thinking about ordering some M95 and Black Wow from ADS. Ya know, we should really be blaming Denzil. He's the one that suggested ADS to me a couple months ago. Although I gotta say, I've been very happy with ADS so far. Their prices are usually among the best, and getting my stuff two days after ordering is nice, too.
 
SuperBee364 said:
LoL, it's never quite enough, is it? :) I'm thinking about ordering some M95 and Black Wow from ADS. Ya know, we should really be blaming Denzil. He's the one that suggested ADS to me a couple months ago. Although I gotta say, I've been very happy with ADS so far. Their prices are usually among the best, and getting my stuff two days after ordering is nice, too.
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LoL, I'm just as guilty as you guys are about spending money! Hell, I blame myself for impulsively buying detailing products all the time because somehow, some way, I find a "justifying" reason to have it. It's an addiction.



I might have to start going to Detailers Anonymous meetings... :laugh:



So about those meetings... Patrick at Excel Detail should be getting another order from me tomorrow. :woot2:
 
JuneBug, don't think we've forgotten about you giving up on M105. Go give it another shot. It really is worth it to learn the stuff.



BTW, did you ever get a steamer?
 
SuperBee, thanks bro - but I don't think this old dog can unlearn my rotary buffing technique long enough to handle how 105 works. I'm slow, I like to take a minute or two on each section. I've had good experiences with Megs 84 and 3M Extra Cut 3000. Honestly, I've had a change in how I look at detailing. My customers aren't looking for 100% correction, they just want it clean and shiney. They are more concerned with "now don't you go and buff all my paint off now" so I've scaled back to just using IP and what doesn't come out - doesn't matter. But, I can get a decent finish with IP on an orange 5.5" pad on a PC then hit it with M26 and call it done. But there again, 99% of my customers don't wash their cars, so there are no swirls, they just hit the coin spray & pray every month or so.



Shark? Man - I've started acting like a kid that wants a toy to the wife, heck, all I hear is Father's Day - wait till then. I'm going to get it myself if I catch it on -sale this weekend, dammit!
 
I'll have a 32 oz bottle of 95 tomorrow, I can't wait trying it and comparing the results with the 105 !!
 
SuperBee364 said:
Share your results if you get a chance, Maesal?
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I'll do it SuperBee just be prepared to understand my poor english :bolt

I have to wetsand lots of panels of my car because of a respray, with orange peel and some dust under the clear, but I need time to do it, the clear is CeramiClear and is hard rock.

This saturday I'm going to detail a 993 C4S solid black, I'll try to place a comparison 105 vs 95 with the same wool (the same model but 2 diferent units, brand new) in the same panel and I'll upload the pics.
 
maesal said:
I'll do it SuperBee just be prepared to understand my poor english :bolt

I have to wetsand lots of panels of my car because of a respray, with orange peel and some dust under the clear, but I need time to do it, the clear is CeramiClear and is hard rock.

This saturday I'm going to detail a 993 C4S solid black, I'll try to place a comparison 105 vs 95 with the same wool (the same model but 2 diferent units, brand new) in the same panel and I'll upload the pics.
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You speak better English than I do.



That car sounds like it's going to be alot of work, and a really good test of 95 and 105.
 
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