M21/NXT Real Barrier !

EdLancer

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I have noticed that both M21 and NXT when just applied doesn't look like it offers much protection, but wait a day when it cures and then I can see an thick polymer coating covering the paint, this is especially noticable when you have a paint chip under to differentiate the contrast, you can really see how thick the sealant is as a sacarficial barrier. I'am convince that both M21 and NXT is a durable as Zaino or AIO and that beading is not a good indicator on polymer sealants.
 
my nxt is done beading in a month and looks like crap, zaino goes for ~6-9 months and still beads strong and looks good. and that is with no coats added after original application. I love the look of nxt don't get me wrong, but I don't like having to add coats all the time just to "maintain" and get no additional benefit
 
hadboosttroy said:
my nxt is done beading in a month and looks like crap, zaino goes for ~6-9 months and still beads strong and looks good. and that is with no coats added after original application. I love the look of nxt don't get me wrong, but I don't like having to add coats all the time just to "maintain" and get no additional benefit
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Which Zaino product lasts 6-9 months?
 
hadboosttroy said:
my nxt is done beading in a month and looks like crap, zaino goes for ~6-9 months and still beads strong and looks good. and that is with no coats added after original application. I love the look of nxt don't get me wrong, but I don't like having to add coats all the time just to "maintain" and get no additional benefit
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Beading is not a good indication that there is no protection or barrier, most polymer sealants today don't even bead at all, but if water sheets then there is still a barrier at play. Depending on the molecular structure of the polymer, some will not bead and some do. I have noticed that the barrier from both NXT and M21 to be on for more than 6 months through winter and spring even if it doesn't bead like a carnuaba that has an oil based emulsion.
 
I've read that some resin based products are soft and don't bead water well and that some manufacturers add ingredients to increase beading.
 
hadboosttroy said:
my nxt is done beading in a month and looks like crap, zaino goes for ~6-9 months and still beads strong and looks good. and that is with no coats added after original application. I love the look of nxt don't get me wrong, but I don't like having to add coats all the time just to "maintain" and get no additional benefit
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Single layer of the paste gives me 3-4 months of great appearance, decent slickness and beading in the rain and sheeting when washing conventionally.



Don't know why some people don't seem to get good durability from it. :nixweiss
 
hadboosttroy said:
maintained with z6 only on occasion.
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I could get origional turtle wax to last for 6-9 months if I maintained it with z6 when it started to fade...



You're comparing maintained zaino to unmaintained NXT. That's fair.





Add me to the group who sees the thickness of NXT, and gets great durability. Especially the paste. It's awesome.



In this pic, you can really 'see' the polymer, it's like the shine is popping from *above* the paint...



shinybox.jpg
 
hadboosttroy said:
my nxt is done beading in a month and looks like crap, zaino goes for ~6-9 months and still beads strong and looks good. and that is with no coats added after original application. I love the look of nxt don't get me wrong, but I don't like having to add coats all the time just to "maintain" and get no additional benefit
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When you say "no coats added" do you mean no Z6, no Z8 and no Z7 washes? Those all contain additional Zaino polish and do replenish the finish.



Don't get me wrong, I use Zaino and and think it is an awesome product but without using those products as a "system" I have never gotten the 6-8 months most claim.
 
rjstaaf said:
When you say "no coats added" do you mean no Z6, no Z8 and no Z7 washes? Those all contain additional Zaino polish and do replenish the finish.



Don't get me wrong, I use Zaino and and think it is an awesome product but without using those products as a "system" I have never gotten the 6-8 months most claim.
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maybe your environment is different from mine? No coats added means no coats added, it's simple. Z6 contains no sealant. Oh and forgot to mention, I do/did use the nxt spray booster stuff. Looked great, but that's it.
 
blackntan said:
I could get origional turtle wax to last for 6-9 months if I maintained it with z6 when it started to fade...



You're comparing maintained zaino to unmaintained NXT. That's fair.





Add me to the group who sees the thickness of NXT, and gets great durability. Especially the paste. It's awesome.



In this pic, you can really 'see' the polymer, it's like the shine is popping from *above* the paint...



shinybox.jpg
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see my above post. also, i don't think you can "see" the polymer, that's just in your mind and your own perception.... it's open to interpretation
 
hadboosttroy said:
maybe your environment is different from mine? No coats added means no coats added, it's simple. Z6 contains no sealant. Oh and forgot to mention, I do/did use the nxt spray booster stuff. Looked great, but that's it.
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Straight from www.zaintostore.com ...



Quickly details your car and renews gloss!



Restores Show Car Polish protection and intensifies freshly polished paint.



Excellent on wheels... shines and protects!



Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean is the first detailing spray designed to be a quick detailer and a polish enhancement in one. Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean detailing spray is a very important component of the Zaino Show Car Polish system. Formulated with the same polymer-based gloss enhancers, Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean dramatically boosts and intensifies all Zaino Show Car Polish finishes.



Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean contains seven optical clarifiers and our unique wet gloss enhancers to increase your car's wet-looking, mile-deep Show Car Polish shine. We highly recommend it for fast, safe removal of water spots, finger prints and light soil from painted surfaces, without scratching.



Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean forms a tough molecular bond to all Zaino Show Car Polishes to increase gloss, optical clarity, slickness, and protection from the sun and elements.



Z-6â„¢ Ultra Clean "Gloss Enhancer" spray is awesome. In addition to helping give your car a three dimensional, its antistatic formula will reduce dust and dirt pickup by 60%.



Please note: Using the product in its original concentration will provide the best r
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It is not just a quick detailer, it is a booster :buffing:
 
hadboosttroy said:
i see gloss enhancer, nothing about adding sealant. z8 is another story
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I am not going to argue with you, you are obviously in denial :chuckle:



Maybe this quote from www.zainostore.com will make it more obvious...



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-6&Category_Code=Zaino



Quickly details your car and renews gloss!



Restores Show Car Polish protection and intensifies freshly polished paint.



Excellent on wheels... shines and protects!
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rjstaaf said:
I am not going to argue with you, you are obviously in denial :chuckle:



Maybe this quote from www.zainostore.com will make it more obvious...



http://www.zainostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=Z-6&Category_Code=Zaino
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no denial here, I just disagree with you. who cares, it's just detailing products. IN MY experience, nxt is a very poor performing product in the durability sector. I still like it, I like it's look and slight cleaning and filling capabilities.



Let's put it this way, with nxt and the spray wax booster, it still wouldn't give me the results I desire. I've been there, done both.



:bestwish
 
blackntan said:
I could get origional turtle wax to last for 6-9 months if I maintained it with z6 when it started to fade...



You're comparing maintained zaino to unmaintained NXT. That's fair.





Add me to the group who sees the thickness of NXT, and gets great durability. Especially the paste. It's awesome.



In this pic, you can really 'see' the polymer, it's like the shine is popping from *above* the paint...
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Just curious, what was your prep? That is some serious wet, I have original fromula NXT from 2+ years ago, and I am also dissapointed with durability. It looks great initially, but after a wash or two, it, just does not have the same look. I measure durability by how the finish looks, I could care less about beading as long as it looks great.



Steve
 
SHICKS said:
Just curious, what was your prep? That is some serious wet, I have original fromula NXT from 2+ years ago, and I am also dissapointed with durability. It looks great initially, but after a wash or two, it, just does not have the same look. I measure durability by how the finish looks, I could care less about beading as long as it looks great.



Steve
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My understanding is that NXT was tweaked for VOC compliance which improved durability. The paste has always been VOC compliant and that is the version I use. Sets up more quickly for removal, seems more durable.
 
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