M205 vs M80

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Envious Eric

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so lets hear it...which one takes the cake? they are both same cut levels, one is with non dimishing abrasives (i thought all megs stuff was non-diminishing though), both seem to break down pretty slow (longer working time) and both leave a great look behind...



mainly for use after 105 which is by far the best compound I have used in terms of cut AND speed! HTEC, powergloss are the other two I have used...



I apply and work in the 105, leave the residue, and then hit it with 205. on the last detail, I didnt have the time to do a comparison, but I would like to know what you guys are getting for comparison results..



80 bucks vs 28 bucks...
 
Tough one...



I find myself using M205 more than M80. The cut of M205 is rated pretty low on the scale, but I have been able to remove some pretty serious scratches when combined with a polishing pad on the rotary. I can't explain why, but it just does.



The finish left by M205 and a finishing pad is fantastic. It is not only glossy and defect free, but very clear. I have done comparisons between PO87MC and M205 and really can't tell the difference.



M205 has a very long working period because of the non-diminishing abrasives, so you can stop whenever the finish is refined to your liking. M80 uses the traditional abrasives.



One interesting trick I found during the weekend was to use a Surbuf pad with two dots of M105 and two dots of M205. This lessened the cut, but the finish was better than just using straight M105.



If I were to choose one, it would be M205. But, I still use M80 often. If I had to choose on price, it would be M80. M105 finishes very well, so you don't really need a more aggressive polish.
 
I've used the 83/80 combo for years and now find them sitting on the shelf behind my 105/205. I believe 205 cuts much better than 80. In fact I'd call it about on a par with 83 for defect removal but it works much longer if you need to. 205 finishes very well. If I could only use one polish it would be 205. Come to think about it, I use 205 just about all the time now and only reach for 105 on really bad finishes. I'm equally impressed at how well 205 handles those hard to reach areas that I need to do by hand.
 
PorscheGuy997 said:
Tough one...



I find myself using M205 more than M80. The cut of M205 is rated pretty low on the scale, but I have been able to remove some pretty serious scratches when combined with a polishing pad on the rotary. I can't explain why, but it just does.



The finish left by M205 and a finishing pad is fantastic. It is not only glossy and defect free, but very clear. I have done comparisons between PO87MC and M205 and really can't tell the difference.



M205 has a very long working period because of the non-diminishing abrasives, so you can stop whenever the finish is refined to your liking. M80 uses the traditional abrasives.



One interesting trick I found during the weekend was to use a Surbuf pad with two dots of M105 and two dots of M205. This lessened the cut, but the finish was better than just using straight M105.



If I were to choose one, it would be M205. But, I still use M80 often. If I had to choose on price, it would be M80. M105 finishes very well, so you don't really need a more aggressive polish.
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Now you've got my attention. I've only used 205 once, but it didn't go well. I'm sure it's because I wasn't using it right. Every time I have bad results with a product, I try and blame the product. Inevitably, it turns out I was using it wrong.



That is encouraging... hearing that 205 can finish down as well as FPII. Like.... VERY encouraging. FPII is my favorite finishing polish, but I hardly ever get to use it since it has basically no ability to correct compounding marks. Well, maybe *some* ability on really soft paints, but for the most part, FPII is a jeweling polish only.



UF became my go-to polish after compounding because it has excellent holo and compounding mark removal, yet still finishes down to a decent (but not exceptional) finish.



It sounds like 205 will cut better than UF, and leave a FPII level of finish. That's just good stuff. Think I'll go get to work on it...
 
I'll never give up M80 but I'm very eager to try M205... I don't think I'll like it more but you never know... as of now, M80 is by far my favorite polish
 
M205 can be a huge time saver. I see myself using this product and moving directly to my LSP (#885, 1000P, etc.). Some of the cars I work on rarely sit still for more than 5 minutes making an all-day detailing session quite unlikely. My wife's car hasn't had a complete makeover for about 2.5yrs. :scared: I’ve been doing quick hit touch-ups with products like Opti-Seal and other AIOs. I haven’t had many other options. Time spent is an issue to me. That influenced my decision to purchase the #205. I must have a mechanism for minimizing my total number of steps on a job.



I don't subscribe to "one size fits all strategies". However, the M205 is approaching it. People on the fence should grab one of those $17 quarts and split it with someone - - minimal investment, minimal downside :up
 
tom p. said:
M205 can be a huge time saver. I see myself using this product and moving directly to my LSP (#885, 1000P, etc.). Some of the cars I work on rarely sit still for more than 5 minutes making an all-day detailing session quite unlikely. My wife's car hasn't had a complete makeover for about 2.5yrs. :scared: I’ve been doing quick hit touch-ups with products like Opti-Seal and other AIOs. I haven’t had many other options. Time spent is an issue to me. That influenced my decision to purchase the #205. I must have a mechanism for minimizing my total number of steps on a job.



I don't subscribe to "one size fits all strategies". However, the M205 is approaching it. People on the fence should grab one of those $17 quarts and split it with someone - - minimal investment, minimal downside :up
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I just ordered M205 from amazon last week... hoping to try it out soon.. have you tried M80? I suggest you try it if you think M205 is a time saver and finishes down well... should be a good comparison.
 
I've used #83, but not #80.



I was just saying to Accumulator last week that I often feel left out of many of these "correction" discussions and the related products. I simply have no need for them on my own cars. Granted, people have brought me cars a few times that I could not correct with the supplies I maintain. I could make it look better, but do you know how difficult it is to correct the hood on a dk blue Jetta where the owner had been using a shovel to remove the snow!! LOL...wadda a scene that was :scared: :bolt
 
I have used both. #80 fills a little more too. Both are similar in cut and both leave a nice look. The trick with #80 for me is 1000-1600-1000 RPM's. Doing that reduced the amount it filled and still left behind an LSP finish.
 
Got_Leather said:
I have used both. #80 fills a little more too. Both are similar in cut and both leave a nice look. The trick with #80 for me is 1000-1600-1000 RPM's. Doing that reduced the amount it filled and still left behind an LSP finish.
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M80 does work well with higher RPMs...



I spread 2x @ 600 (speed 1) fairly fast (about 3-5 inches/second),

then spread again with a little more pressure @ 900 and about 2-3 inch/sec,

then 3-4 passes @ 1200, 1500, 1500, 1200 or some sort of combo between speed 2.5-3 on the Makita (for the first two passes at the higher speeds I apply A LOT of pressure on the head of the polisher and it helps A LOT with cutting when compared to lighter pressure, and ease up for the last 1-2 passes at high speeds)

next is a light pass at somewhere around 1100 and finally 2 passes at 900... starting with the cutting/high speed passes I slow down the polisher to maybe 1-2 inch/second and finish down like that, maybe even slower for the last pass @ 900



So about 8-10 passes is what I usually do with M80 on something like 1/4 of the hood... The pressure is a huge thing when using M80/8006 especially on harder CCs... I noticed it a lot with the Audi I just finished Saturday that lighter pressure did almost nothing, whereas really pushing it against the paint for 2 passes removed 80-90% defects...
 
lecchilo said:
M80 does work well with higher RPMs...



I spread 2x @ 600 (speed 1) fairly fast (about 3-5 inches/second),

then spread again with a little more pressure @ 900 and about 2-3 inch/sec,

then 3-4 passes @ 1200, 1500, 1500, 1200 or some sort of combo between speed 2.5-3 on the Makita (for the first two passes at the higher speeds I apply A LOT of pressure on the head of the polisher and it helps A LOT with cutting when compared to lighter pressure, and ease up for the last 1-2 passes at high speeds)

next is a light pass at somewhere around 1100 and finally 2 passes at 900... starting with the cutting/high speed passes I slow down the polisher to maybe 1-2 inch/second and finish down like that, maybe even slower for the last pass @ 900



So about 8-10 passes is what I usually do with M80 on something like 1/4 of the hood... The pressure is a huge thing when using M80/8006 especially on harder CCs... I noticed it a lot with the Audi I just finished Saturday that lighter pressure did almost nothing, whereas really pushing it against the paint for 2 passes removed 80-90% defects...
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Very true.
 
tom p. said:
I've used #83, but not #80.



I was just saying to Accumulator last week that I often feel left out of many of these "correction" discussions and the related products. I simply have no need for them on my own cars. Granted, people have brought me cars a few times that I could not correct with the supplies I maintain. I could make it look better, but do you know how difficult it is to correct the hood on a dk blue Jetta where the owner had been using a shovel to remove the snow!! LOL...wadda a scene that was :scared: :bolt
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Oh, man... I can actually sympathize with this one... Sorry to go off topic, but...



Dodge outsources the vinyl sticker application (like the ones on my 'bee) to a company called Ground Effects in Brampton, Ontario Canada. I have a picture (somewhere) of the majority of the 1,000 B5 Blue SuperBees sitting in Ground Effects parking lot covered in snow. On my car, I have a bunch of deep RIDS running length wise down my hood, as well as a few on the roof. These marks were common complaints among B5 'bee owners. The guys at Ground Effects removed the snow from the cars on the lot with floor brooms.



I've been able to diminish their appearance quite a bit, but it would take a good wetsanding to really make it perfect. I just don't want to remove that much clear on a relatively new car.
 
SuperBee364 said:
. I just don't want to remove that much clear on a relatively new car.
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Gosh, that sux...on a brand new car :eek: :eek:



I could not improve the condition a bit on the Jetta, it would have required something far more radical in terms of clearcoat removal, which I was not prepared to do. So we left it and he was happier with his glossy scratches :rofl
 
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