imported_Ronin
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You have found that Dawn will remove Zaino? Interesting......
M105 vs. the flapping tarp
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I was corrected in a couple of PMs that Dawn and other detergents don't remove sealants. This is particularly true from a painter's perspective. It really takes a solvent, like alcohol or PrepSol to remove sealants.
I agree with this, however, I think everyone knew what I meant... the HP car wash detergent dulled the nice finish of the BF protectant.
Ronin... does Dawn remove Zaino? Remove, no. Dull, yes. I'm sure the protection is still available, but not the shine. My understanding is that many Zaino users wash with Dawn before applying new coats of polish.
I got another email with concern to using Dawn. Is it safe? Yes it is, if you plan to re-seal or re-wax the car. However, my own feeling is that use of Dawn should be limited to a couple times a year.
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I agree with this, however, I think everyone knew what I meant... the HP car wash detergent dulled the nice finish of the BF protectant.
Ronin... does Dawn remove Zaino? Remove, no. Dull, yes. I'm sure the protection is still available, but not the shine. My understanding is that many Zaino users wash with Dawn before applying new coats of polish.
I got another email with concern to using Dawn. Is it safe? Yes it is, if you plan to re-seal or re-wax the car. However, my own feeling is that use of Dawn should be limited to a couple times a year.
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DETAILKING
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Dawn is good for removing carnubas and oils from your paint for prepping to use a polymer sealant. I never use it very concentrated or more than 1-2 times a year MAX. If you dawn wash over a sealant it could leave a film that could dull the finish or reduce water beading which would make one think that the sealant was removed, but in fact if you wash with a standard car wash, you will see that gloss and water beading reappear. Dawn has a high alkaline content, and will remove some sealants, but not all of them.
Depending on the location and time of year, auto car washes use different types of detergents. These can be as mild as baby shampoo to very harsh detergents that could strip some sealants, and most definately strip carnuba. I would avoid these washes at all costs. If anything, use a self serve wash, with your own car soap.
Depending on the location and time of year, auto car washes use different types of detergents. These can be as mild as baby shampoo to very harsh detergents that could strip some sealants, and most definately strip carnuba. I would avoid these washes at all costs. If anything, use a self serve wash, with your own car soap.
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>...............These can be as mild as baby shampoo to very harsh detergents that could strip some sealants, and most definately strip carnuba. I would avoid these washes at all costs. If anything, use a self serve wash, with your own car soap. [/b]</blockquote>
Problem I have with the self serve car washes around here is that hand washing is prohibited. What they would do if I showed up with my own bucket and wash mitts is in question - a question that I will have an answer to this winter, as I intend to test the waters, so-to-speak. Personally, I want to see someone tell me in person that I can't hand wash my car in their self service wash bays on some slow day when no one is lined up waiting to wash their cars(LOL).
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by DETAILKING [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>...............These can be as mild as baby shampoo to very harsh detergents that could strip some sealants, and most definately strip carnuba. I would avoid these washes at all costs. If anything, use a self serve wash, with your own car soap. [/b]</blockquote>
Problem I have with the self serve car washes around here is that hand washing is prohibited. What they would do if I showed up with my own bucket and wash mitts is in question - a question that I will have an answer to this winter, as I intend to test the waters, so-to-speak. Personally, I want to see someone tell me in person that I can't hand wash my car in their self service wash bays on some slow day when no one is lined up waiting to wash their cars(LOL).
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Intermezzo330I [/i]
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You creep!!! haha, j/k
Klasse, Zaino, Meguair's.. Most of those polymer-type products are fundamentally the same when it comes to durability. There are a few small differences in things such as appearance, application, ease of removal, etc. Klasse provides a deeper shine....Zaino is slicker...etc...etc.
So even though I haven't tried it, I'm sure Meg's #20 provides great durability and will provide adequate protection through a harsh winter. [/b]</blockquote>
Creep!?!?!? How dare you!! LOL
<strong class='bbc'>Intermezzo330I[/b] - I haven't tried any of the other polymer sealants - <strong class='bbc'><em class='bbc'>YET[/i][/b], but I can say that the Meguiars No. 20 is REAL easy to take off, while the Meguiars Medallion (which isn't worth a damn as far as I'm concerned) doesn't some off near as fast. May try Blackfire next spring, after I finish my supply of Meguiars No. 20. Durability of the No. 20 has been incredible in the nearly fifteen years that I've used the stuff. Applying this last time around with my Porter Cable polisher only seems to improve the results, although I don't know why orbital polisher applied seems to be more durable than hand applied.
<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Intermezzo330I [/i]
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You creep!!! haha, j/k
Klasse, Zaino, Meguair's.. Most of those polymer-type products are fundamentally the same when it comes to durability. There are a few small differences in things such as appearance, application, ease of removal, etc. Klasse provides a deeper shine....Zaino is slicker...etc...etc.
So even though I haven't tried it, I'm sure Meg's #20 provides great durability and will provide adequate protection through a harsh winter. [/b]</blockquote>
Creep!?!?!? How dare you!! LOL
<strong class='bbc'>Intermezzo330I[/b] - I haven't tried any of the other polymer sealants - <strong class='bbc'><em class='bbc'>YET[/i][/b], but I can say that the Meguiars No. 20 is REAL easy to take off, while the Meguiars Medallion (which isn't worth a damn as far as I'm concerned) doesn't some off near as fast. May try Blackfire next spring, after I finish my supply of Meguiars No. 20. Durability of the No. 20 has been incredible in the nearly fifteen years that I've used the stuff. Applying this last time around with my Porter Cable polisher only seems to improve the results, although I don't know why orbital polisher applied seems to be more durable than hand applied.
Len_A,
I live in the Detroit area and found that if you go to the self wash places early in the morning or late in the evening when there isn't a lot of people there, the owners don't care if you hand wash. I had the owners walk right by me and say hi. They just don't want you holding up traffic when it is busy. I found the Meguiars #20 is a great sealant, but doesn't hold up as long as Klasse. The #20 is easier to apply though and can be bought at any Murray's auto store instead of only online. If you like the results with #20 I see no reason for you to change. With Klasse though you may notice some increase in shine.
I live in the Detroit area and found that if you go to the self wash places early in the morning or late in the evening when there isn't a lot of people there, the owners don't care if you hand wash. I had the owners walk right by me and say hi. They just don't want you holding up traffic when it is busy. I found the Meguiars #20 is a great sealant, but doesn't hold up as long as Klasse. The #20 is easier to apply though and can be bought at any Murray's auto store instead of only online. If you like the results with #20 I see no reason for you to change. With Klasse though you may notice some increase in shine.
Mass. Wine Guy
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I'm in the same situation as many others here: No garage or way to hand wash and detail my car during Winter. Seems odd that most of us don't know someone nearby with a heated garage or similar space.
By the way, should someone in the North Shore area of Massachusetts have such a heated garage, please, please, PLEASE let me use it a couple of times this season.
By the way, should someone in the North Shore area of Massachusetts have such a heated garage, please, please, PLEASE let me use it a couple of times this season.
Probably the best product to keep that car clean during the winter and allow you to hose off dirt would be a second car. Sorry.
But I do not think there will ever be a product that is miraculous and allows all road grime to simple rinse off. They would make better dirt then so you buy more detailing stuff then.
But I do not think there will ever be a product that is miraculous and allows all road grime to simple rinse off. They would make better dirt then so you buy more detailing stuff then.
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<strong class='bbc'>Len_A,
I live in the Detroit area and found that if you go to the self wash places early in the morning or late in the evening when there isn't a lot of people there, the owners don't care if you hand wash. I had the owners walk right by me and say hi. They just don't want you holding up traffic when it is busy. I found the Meguiars #20 is a great sealant, but doesn't hold up as long as Klasse. The #20 is easier to apply though and can be bought at any Murray's auto store instead of only online. If you like the results with #20 I see no reason for you to change. With Klasse though you may notice some increase in shine. [/b]</blockquote>
Thanks Waxman.
For the longest time, Murray's dropped the No. 20 and the only place that had it was Painters Supply (my local source for Meguiar's foam Porter Cable pads). Murray's had it back this year. Will have to bitch at one of the buyers if they drop it again (went to high school with one of them - lol). Wonder if Painters Supply carries Klasse. I'll have to check.
<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by waxman [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>Len_A,
I live in the Detroit area and found that if you go to the self wash places early in the morning or late in the evening when there isn't a lot of people there, the owners don't care if you hand wash. I had the owners walk right by me and say hi. They just don't want you holding up traffic when it is busy. I found the Meguiars #20 is a great sealant, but doesn't hold up as long as Klasse. The #20 is easier to apply though and can be bought at any Murray's auto store instead of only online. If you like the results with #20 I see no reason for you to change. With Klasse though you may notice some increase in shine. [/b]</blockquote>
Thanks Waxman.
For the longest time, Murray's dropped the No. 20 and the only place that had it was Painters Supply (my local source for Meguiar's foam Porter Cable pads). Murray's had it back this year. Will have to bitch at one of the buyers if they drop it again (went to high school with one of them - lol). Wonder if Painters Supply carries Klasse. I'll have to check.
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by JasonC8301 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>No flames intended.
The Meguiars #20 polymer sealant contains cleaners in it that will strip off/weaken the previous coat of #20. So in short, there will not be three coats of #20, maybe 1 to 1/2.
Also Meguiars #26 Hi-tech yellow wax is a good wax, but lacks in durability, get about 4 weeks on it. I prefer Blitz. If durability was not an issue, I'll pick up my Souveran.
Just my 1 cent,
Jason [/b]</blockquote>
<strong class='bbc'>Jason [/b] - Finally got tired of waiting for Meguiars to answer my email, and called them on the issue of cleaners in the No. 20.
Their responce (and we don't how true this is): Very Mild Polish - yes, Cleaner - no. Layering is possible if you let the coats of No. 20 sit for at least fifteen minutes (this tech's words, not mine - I prefer at least an hour) before buffing off. The polish in No. 20 is so mild that it <strong class='bbc'>will not[/b] take the previous layer of No. 20 off. Again, their words, not mine.
Don't know how true that is, but that was what they told me over the phone. And they still push the daylights out of Medallion for All Paint, instisting that it's their longest lasting product. WHen I pushed for what Medallion is, it's basically a mix of carnuba wax and polymer resins. In other words, not too different from my using the No. 20 first, and then the No. 27 after. Except I get longer lasting results from that combo than I ever got from Medallion (which I threw out).
He also added that many people have said the same thing I've said - No. 20 lasts the longest. His responce: "That's why we have so many products, for different customers needs".
<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by JasonC8301 [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>No flames intended.
The Meguiars #20 polymer sealant contains cleaners in it that will strip off/weaken the previous coat of #20. So in short, there will not be three coats of #20, maybe 1 to 1/2.
Also Meguiars #26 Hi-tech yellow wax is a good wax, but lacks in durability, get about 4 weeks on it. I prefer Blitz. If durability was not an issue, I'll pick up my Souveran.
Just my 1 cent,
Jason [/b]</blockquote>
<strong class='bbc'>Jason [/b] - Finally got tired of waiting for Meguiars to answer my email, and called them on the issue of cleaners in the No. 20.
Their responce (and we don't how true this is): Very Mild Polish - yes, Cleaner - no. Layering is possible if you let the coats of No. 20 sit for at least fifteen minutes (this tech's words, not mine - I prefer at least an hour) before buffing off. The polish in No. 20 is so mild that it <strong class='bbc'>will not[/b] take the previous layer of No. 20 off. Again, their words, not mine.
Don't know how true that is, but that was what they told me over the phone. And they still push the daylights out of Medallion for All Paint, instisting that it's their longest lasting product. WHen I pushed for what Medallion is, it's basically a mix of carnuba wax and polymer resins. In other words, not too different from my using the No. 20 first, and then the No. 27 after. Except I get longer lasting results from that combo than I ever got from Medallion (which I threw out).
He also added that many people have said the same thing I've said - No. 20 lasts the longest. His responce: "That's why we have so many products, for different customers needs".
DETAILKING
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polymers and oils don't mix. They can not crosslink if there are oils in the formula. If there are polymers, it's probably something like polyethylene wax or something......
imported_Intermezzo
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Polmers contained in traditional waxes (carnauba or no carnauba) have nothing to do with durability...at least according to Terry of CMA.
This is a quote from his interview regarding Blackfire:
"They think it's from the carnauba but it's not. The shine comes from the polymers suspended in the carnauba. The carnauba is only the base used to hold the polymers in place. Paste Glaz has a high polymer content for a very bright shine. We recommend it for light color cars, white, silver, beige, etc. Souveran on the other hand has a very low polymer content."
Now we all know that PPG isn't known for its durability. Apparently, polymers in traditional waxes provide glossiness. Meguiar's Gold Class has a lot of polymers and is their glossiest wax (according to Meguiar's).
Any wax that claims high durability due to the polymers it has is just marketing hype...IMO. The word 'polymer', by definition, can refer to many different things, so my guess is that the suspended polymers in PPG and Gold Class aren't the same type of polymers in Klasse and Zaino.
This is a quote from his interview regarding Blackfire:
"They think it's from the carnauba but it's not. The shine comes from the polymers suspended in the carnauba. The carnauba is only the base used to hold the polymers in place. Paste Glaz has a high polymer content for a very bright shine. We recommend it for light color cars, white, silver, beige, etc. Souveran on the other hand has a very low polymer content."
Now we all know that PPG isn't known for its durability. Apparently, polymers in traditional waxes provide glossiness. Meguiar's Gold Class has a lot of polymers and is their glossiest wax (according to Meguiar's).
Any wax that claims high durability due to the polymers it has is just marketing hype...IMO. The word 'polymer', by definition, can refer to many different things, so my guess is that the suspended polymers in PPG and Gold Class aren't the same type of polymers in Klasse and Zaino.
rockymountaindetail
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My bro-in law's GMC p/u. After a camping trip he drove down a dusty road and then hit the freeway. Not sure how long he drove but the tarp worked its way loose and flapped against the dirty paint for what must have been quite a while. His wife called me and asked if i could fix the truck for his father's day present. Here are the befores...I was pretty shocked when I saw it. The sides of the bed and tailgate were massacred, he thought he had destroyed the value of his truck!!
in this corner.....the challenger....a crappy blue wal-mart tarp
and in this corner.....the reigning champion..... wearing an orange pad......M105 (rrrrraaaaaahhhhhhhhhh) the crowd goes wild]
the truck came out great! m105 retains the belt!!!
in this corner.....the challenger....a crappy blue wal-mart tarp
and in this corner.....the reigning champion..... wearing an orange pad......M105 (rrrrraaaaaahhhhhhhhhh) the crowd goes wild]
the truck came out great! m105 retains the belt!!!
bmw5541
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WOW!
Nice job there Rich. Don't you love when a product performs as advertised?:clap:
Nice job there Rich. Don't you love when a product performs as advertised?:clap:
imported_Flash Gordon
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Great job Rich. Thanks for posting :wizard: