Looking for moderately priced carnuba/sealant...

sweetlou said:
thanks for the replies, seems like a lot of people like the collonite 885 paste, i have a few questions about it. Hows the beading? Durability i hear is good. Also is it a carnuuba? How does it look on silver depth/reflective wise?
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The beading is the best in the business (assuming you like beading), and its dirt-shedding is also about as good as it gets. AFAIK it's a carnauba/synthetic blend.



It looks OK on silver but it's not the *best* looks-wise for that color (IMO). But this is only a potential issue after you've done the prep to way-better-than-most standards. If a vehicle doesn't look good, it won't be because it has Collinite on it instead of something else ;)



For what a tin of it costs, I'd at least give it a try.



The fk is appealing b/c they have virtually everything. and the paste comes in 15oz tins, but to those who use it, how is the beading and durability.
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People say the beading and durability are great, and my (so far) limited experience says that's true. It's a very nice product, no question about it.



Also i was curious about the s100, because it looks like p21s but idk the story.

Meguires has so many products it becomes confusing and didnt think their stuff was up to par with the rest of my suggestions.
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Nothing wrong with P21s or Meguiar's but they're not right for everybody, every time. I don't happen to like how P21s looks on certain paints, and it doesn't last very long...for a similar look I'd go with Collinite 845 instead.



My fave Meg's wax (#16) is hard to find, but it looks similar to P21s but with *much* better beading (second only to Collinite) and infinitely better durability. If you can still find a tin of #16, it oughta last many, many years (I got a decade out of my last tin and I use it often).



another question, would anyone recommend a sealant such as poli-seal or klasse under one of the carnubas or just stick with 1 step, also layering?
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I no longer top sealants with wax as it precludes adding *more* sealant later; I pick a wax or a sealant and just use either/or. Six layers of KSG will last a *VERY* long time, but unless you're gonna apply at least four layers I'd go with Collinite instead.



Lumadar said:
How do people feel about layering with the Collinite waxes (any of them)?
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The 845 layers, never had a problem. The 486S/885 usually layers just fine but I *have* had the "pseudo hologram" effect happen, which IMO indicates solvent action so I suggest that you spit-shine it if applying the layers close together (as opposed to after a week or two).



Is it effective to use as a base followed by a more frequently applied wax for aesthetics, or would it be used the other way around OVER a cosmetic wax as a final sealant? (I'm guessing the answer varies by which Collinite we're talking about...).
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I like 845 topped with 476S, just one of those combos that seems to work nicely for me.



I've spit-shined Souveran on top of Collinite and it seemed to give a slightly nicer look, but any difference is *really* splitting hairs. Generally, I'd apply the beauty wax *last* so the Collinite is in direct contact with the paint and the beauty wax is the stuff on top that you actually see. But generally I wouldn't bother, I'd just use the Collinite by itself.
 
thanks for the info, is the 845 similar or the same as the 885 just in liquid form? I kind of want to try a paste because it seems as if im using way too much product with the liquids, or am i just asking for more work? Ill either order some 845 or 885 as well as the fk sample kit. (I wish more companies had sample kits such as that one). I was looking for some megs 16 briefly but it must have been discontinued or something. Also i might try a hand at the carnuba moose wax, as i hear good things about it.



short summary

collonite 845/885

fk sample kit

cmw?
 
sweetlou said:
thanks for the info, is the 845 similar or the same as the 885 just in liquid form? I kind of want to try a paste because it seems as if im using way too much product with the liquids, or am i just asking for more work? Ill either order some 845 or 885 as well as the fk sample kit. (I wish more companies had sample kits such as that one). I was looking for some megs 16 briefly but it must have been discontinued or something. Also i might try a hand at the carnuba moose wax, as i hear good things about it.



short summary

collonite 845/885

fk sample kit

cmw?
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i prefer pastes, they don't go bad as quickly as liquids and you get more applications as well IMO (one tin will last you a long time). the FK1 sample kit is a great introduction to their products and if you don't like a particular product, it's not like you bought a whole bottle and be stuck with it...
 
Vote for the Prima Banna Gloss and Epic 2 easy to use products and great looks. Optiseal is another good product that is easy to use with good looks.Adam's Buttery wax is nice just doesn't last long . Another prima product is the Hydro which is a spray sealant that really easy to apply by spraying as you dry. I don't know if you consider the Ultima paint guard moderateley priced.But it is my favorite WOWA sealant.
 
sweetlou said:
...........I was looking for some megs 16 briefly but it must have been discontinued or something. Also i might try a hand at the carnuba moose wax, as i hear good things about it............
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#16 was discontinued in the states but is still sold overseas and in Canada. eShine in Canada sells it:



eShine Canada: RARE! Meguiar's #16 Professional Paste Wax



If you buy some other stuff to offset the shipping it isn't too bad and he sometimes runs a sale on it.



All the stuff you're looking at (Collinite, #16, and CMW) are good choices, especially the 885 for durability.
 
I finally got a chance to use the Megs #16 I bought from John (Eliot Ness) last week on a Viper GTS, and all I can say is WOW! I'm going to use it a couple more times before I officially say I like it more than my P21S 100%. #16 is a really nice wax.
 
I finally got a chance to use the Megs #16 I bought from John (Eliot Ness) last week on a Viper GTS. I'm going to use it a few more times before I officially declare that I like it more than my p21s 100%. #16 is a very nice wax.
 
Those of you just getting acquainted with #16 are in for a treat, it's really great stuff. It's "the paste wax that turns liquid" when you work it; and that makes it perfect for application via PC/etc.



After you rub the applicator around in the wax (it'll turn liquid if you do it fast enough), rub the applicator together to distribute the wax evenly. Then, try to squeeze as much wax as you can *back out of* the applicator. It doesn't take a dime-size amount of wax to do a hood, you need far less than that, so try to use a *little* wax as possible.



When applying subsequent applications/coats, I like to do a pseudo-spitshine where I spritz a *little* cool/chilled QD on the panel and then apply the #16 via machine, mixing it in with the tiny bit of QD and working it until there's only a thin film of wax residue lest. I don't work it until it disappears (as with a *true* spitshine) but I do spread the product out over a large area so it's very, very thin. What's left buffs off easily, but don't miss a spot...by the time you do the next wash that unbuffed #16 will be *VERY* hard to buff off.



I really can't overemphasize the thin application thing..I refresh the #16'ed vehicles frequently, so I use this product a lot. But a can still lasts me years and years, the last one lasted over a decade. Putting it on thick is just asking for problems, besides being a waste of a hard-to-find product. You should be able to wax a lot of Suburbans/etc. before you can really tell you've used any wax at all, and when you get down to just a tiny bit left in the outer rim at the bottom of the can, that's plenty to do a full-size sedan (including doorjambs/etc.).



sweetlou said:
thanks for the info, is the 845 similar or the same as the 885 just in liquid form? I kind of want to try a paste because it seems as if im using way too much product with the liquids, or am i just asking for more work?
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I don't think the 845 is just a liquid version of their paste waxes, it seems completely different.



Putting *any* LSP on thin is the key to good results and easy use, paste or liquid. Try the tip above, about squeezing wax out of the applicator.



The pastes are a little more work but I've never found them a real PIA or anything like that.
 
i read somewhere that the 915 was just re-badged 885 that was more expensive. Can anyone confirm this, or is 915 really better?
 
Well...on a related note I visited Harbor Freight today and they discontinued Collinite products.



Anyone know of a place to get a good deal on it aside from HF?
 
sweetlou said:
i read somewhere that the 915 was just re-badged 885 that was more expensive. Can anyone confirm this......
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No, it is 476 and 885 that are the same. 915 has a higher carnauba content and sells for a bit more. Whether it is worth it or not you'd have to try it and decide.... I have only used the 476/885 and 845. I did talk to a Collinite rep a few years ago and for durability he said 476/885 was their top wax and that was what they all used. I'm sure that 915 is a great wax but I can't recall anyone testing/comparing it to the 476/885.
Lumadar said:
Well...on a related note I visited Harbor Freight today and they discontinued Collinite products.



Anyone know of a place to get a good deal on it aside from HF?
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They offer free shipping:



Collinite waxes from MacTec | car waxes, boat wax, and detailing supplies
 
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