Looking for a wash that keeps the slickness...

Z7 will not remove the protective elements of a carnuaba that is not on its last legs (over 3-4 weeks old). Z7 will remove some of the appearance enhancers (oils and silicones) of a paste/liquid carnuaba/syn wax. You will need to add these elements back via a QD after washing.
 
ZaneO said:
Sal tried selling larger quantities a long time ago and it didn't work out well. He currently has no intentions of doing it again.
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I can see that with his finish products, but with the daily use type products like soap and quick detailer it would make more sense in selling it in a larger quantity.:)
 
94BlkStang said:
I can see that with his finish products, but with the daily use type products like soap and quick detailer it would make more sense in selling it in a larger quantity.:)
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Sal is not going to discount his product because of packaging quantity. He has a "quantity discount" already in place for those that need such. It is called flat rate shipping cost.

If one feels he/she needs 1 gallon of Z7, Z6, Z8 or whatever, they can order needed quantity and only be charged a fixed $8.95 shipping cost. :woot:
 
JamRWS6 said:
I have tried [Griot's] and I was very not impressed with it. It did not seem to sud very well at all and provide adequate lubrication and it also did not seem strong enough to clean properly...I am not so sure how mild the Griots wash is. They claim when used straight and undilluted it will remove tar, etc. I'm not sure you could call that mild.
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Interesting, that's very different from my experiences with it. I haven't tried the Zaino (gotta be something I can buy in gallons and that's more carnauba-friendly) but I like the Griot's a lot better than Pinnacle and Meg's #62/#00, which I used previously.



As far as harshness, I find Griot's pretty mild, much more so than Pinnacle, for instance. Doesn't strip KSG at all, not even after many, many washes. Doesn't compromise the #16/476S I use on my wife's A8, so I wouldn't worry about it being hard on carnauba LSPs either. I use it in pretty strong dilutions and my carnaubas last for at least several months worth of washes. And IMO that "undiluted, will remove tar" is just ad-copy BS; it didn't work when I tried it.



Some of the differences in our experiences might have to do with water quality...but it just goes to show that people have to try stuff like this out and see what works for them.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Sal is not going to discount his product because of packaging quantity. He has a "quantity discount" already in place for those that need such. It is called flat rate shipping cost.

If one feels he/she needs 1 gallon of Z7, Z6, Z8 or whatever, they can order needed quantity and only be charged a fixed $8.95 shipping cost. :woot:
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So he has to buy 8 containers, handle 8 containers, fill 8 containers and ship 8 containers. He would not only reduce his costs, but also possibly increase his market share. Just a thought.:)
 
94BlkStang said:
So he has to buy 8 containers, handle 8 containers, fill 8 containers and ship 8 containers. He would not only reduce his costs, but also possibly increase his market share. Just a thought.:)
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Like I said, you guys can think and figure all day long, but Sal said no. Nothing anyone can do about it. :)
 
I emailed Sal and he didnt flat out say NO, but he said, "as of yet." hopefully this means something in the near future. :D



sal could save us quite a bit by not having to buy 8 bottles, 8 sprayers, and 8 labels. :)
 
94BlkStang said:
So he has to buy 8 containers, handle 8 containers, fill 8 containers and ship 8 containers. He would not only reduce his costs, but also possibly increase his market share. Just a thought.:)
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Market analysis and past experience doesn't indicate a market for gallon or even half gallon sizes. The 8 containers on the shelf have already been packaged, cost and labor of packaging is already included and the stock stays fresh because of constant movement (sales) of this size. For the few who need more a discount is already set (flat shipping). The detailer that needs larger in-stock quality also only needs to carry 1 16oz bottle and does not need to re-dispense from a larger container. All in all I believe that we, the consumer, are the beneficiaries from this set-up.



I really do not think packaged larger quanities would effect market share. There are few non-Zaino users willing to pay upwards of $70 plus $9 shipping to test a product at quantity. The Zaino user would just follow the built-in shipping discount system in place and order per need. JMHO :cool:
 
ZaneO said:
Just for clarification, suds/bubbles are for appearances.
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Not true IMO. Every wash I have tried that has more suds also has more lubricating capablities which in turn is safer for the paint.



Accumulator said:
Interesting, that's very different from my experiences with it. I haven't tried the Zaino (gotta be something I can buy in gallons and that's more carnauba-friendly) but I like the Griot's a lot better than Pinnacle and Meg's #62/#00, which I used previously.



As far as harshness, I find Griot's pretty mild, much more so than Pinnacle, for instance. Doesn't strip KSG at all, not even after many, many washes. Doesn't compromise the #16/476S I use on my wife's A8, so I wouldn't worry about it being hard on carnauba LSPs either. I use it in pretty strong dilutions and my carnaubas last for at least several months worth of washes. And IMO that "undiluted, will remove tar" is just ad-copy BS; it didn't work when I tried it.



Some of the differences in our experiences might have to do with water quality...but it just goes to show that people have to try stuff like this out and see what works for them.
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As far as water quality I believe the water here is somewhere in the middle of hard and soft water. It isn't soft.....but not hard.:)



But definitely, different things work for different people.:cool:
 
JamRWS6 said:
Not true IMO. Every wash I have tried that has more suds also has more lubricating capablities which in turn is safer for the paint.
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Suds and lubrication are independent.
 
Z7 will not remove the protective elements of a carnuaba that is not on its last legs (over 3-4 weeks old).
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I politely disagree: based on personal experience it will remove wax.



However, this is a blessing more than a curse. Z-7 has some bite to it and that makes it a great prep wash. P21S and Exlusiv will not remove wax.
 
SilverLexus said:
I politely disagree: based on personal experience it will remove wax.



However, this is a blessing more than a curse. Z-7 has some bite to it and that makes it a great prep wash. P21S and Exlusiv will not remove wax.
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I don't know if you have use NXT wash, but if so, has it removed wax in your experience?



What about everyone else? It doesn't completely strip the wax in my experience, but it definitely diminishes the fresh detail look
 
anyone used this cg product that spoiledman mentioned?

PRO-DETAILER+1XCarnauba -Quick Detail Spray & Waterless Carwash
 
COBRyan said:
Any suggestions? NXT and Gold Class wash seem to strip the slickness from a fresh detail real quick. Someone suggested Poorboys wash in a Click & Brag thread. Any other opinions?
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My favorite traditional car wash, and the mildest one I've used, is #00 Hi-Tech Wash. It's quite slick, though not that sudsy. And it's quite mild. Best on a car that isn't overly dirty. :)
 
atticdog said:
anyone used this cg product that spoiledman mentioned?

PRO-DETAILER+1XCarnauba -Quick Detail Spray & Waterless Carwash
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I tried to buy some the other day but it was sold out. I will attempt to find out when they will get some and if I can get a gallon set aside to pick up. This week is kind of busy for me as far as their business hours are concerned.
 
JamRWS6 said:
Haven't used it but don't particularly care for not rinsing. Sounds like a good way to scratch.
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LOTS of professionals and enthusiasts use it on a daily and/or regular basis with no problems.
 
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