Layering zaino

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dmarcus48

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Ok, I have a 4 month old Acura TL Silver, have always used the Klasse twins, but this w/e decided to try zaino. So this weekend I put on a coat of z5, followed by a coat of z2, the next day another coat of z2.



My question is, what if anything does the zfx do? Should I put the z2 on straight or use a small bottle with a couple of drops of zfx?



Dave
 
zfx is an activator that speeds up curing. according to Zaino, you NEED to use zfx for the first application on the cleaned surface. using zfx will allow the product to cure as fast as 30 minutes...rather than the 24 hours without. once you have the first coat down, you do not have to use zfx again for the additional layers...but you might as well so you don't have to wait a full day inbetween.



a recent thread on here revealed that Zaino also recommends NOT using zfx for the final coat...and let that one cure slowly.



.02
 
thanks very much. Any thoughts on how many coats of z2 to achive maximum results? Usually there a point where more coats do not equal more shine. I found with Klasse SG that was usually around 3-4 layers.



Dave
 
maximum layers in a 24 hour period is 3, according to Zaino. it's personal choice, but i doubt you will notice an appreciable difference if you exceed 2-3 layers of z5 and then 2 of z2. after that, it's my opinion that people "think" it looks better to justify the time and effort they just spent to put 735257200239238 layers of product on their car. :)
 
the way I see ZFX is if you don't use it you just threw away $20 (assuming you bot it). Might as well use it up and then wait for the upgraded Z-2P/Z-5P polishes.
 
There is no recommendation that ZFX should or should not be used for the final coat of a multiple layering 1 day session. It is only "NOT" necessary to to use a ZFX mixture for the final coat.



Example: You have mixed enough Z5PRO for 2 coats that you scheduled for this application. After these 2 applications you decide to add that 3rd layer of Z5PRO or Z2PRO. It is not necessary to make a ZFX mixture for this coat but perfect okay if one does for the instant curing.



With good finish prep 3 coats of Z5PRO normally reaches its limit of hiding/filling any blemishes.

2 coats of Z2PRO maximizes it appearance augmentation on a good finish.



A single application of either Z5PRO or Z2PRO is sufficient for months of durable protection and appearance retention.



Hope this helps. :wavey
 
I had my GF's brothers Prelude at my shop for 2 weeks while he was on vacation and I applied all my Zaino without ZFX..... I should mention that each coat I put on was left on the paint for 12 hours and then, when wiped off I didn't put another coat on for about 24 hours..... I repeated this step 4 times.



That was about 7 weeks ago and the paint still looks and feels very similar as to when I pulled it out of my shop. I should also mention that the car is parked outside 24hrs a day and always exposed to any elements.



basically what I'm saying is..... If you have the time... .ZFX is definately not needed, I have it.... but I'm only ever gonna use it if I gotta do 2-3 coats in one day.
 
without ZFX being used on the first coat it will only reach about 60% of it's potential. remember that ZFX also aids in how tight the molecular chains crosslink. It's more than just a fast cure additive. That being said, with out ZFX, Zaino still is better than most other products.
 
So can I ask, if you apply a coat of Z2 (w/o ZFX) over a single base coat of Z2/ZFX, does it actually take 12 HOURS :eek: to dry? Obviously, it depends on temp, etc., but what kind of wait do most people experience?
 
percynjpn said:
So can I ask, if you apply a coat of Z2 (w/o ZFX) over a single base coat of Z2/ZFX, does it actually take 12 HOURS :eek: to dry? Obviously, it depends on temp, etc., but what kind of wait do most people experience?
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The applied sealant actually dries rather quickly 15-30 minutes depending on the weather, which allows us to buff off residual.



"Curing" (completion and stablization of crosslinking) is what takes longer and full curing is stated as about 12 - 24 hrs.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
The applied sealant actually dries rather quickly 15-30 minutes depending on the weather, which allows us to buff off residual.



"Curing" (completion and stablization of crosslinking) is what takes longer and full curing is stated as about 12 - 24 hrs.
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Thanks for the reply; so would you mind if I ask your opinion, as I know you have as much experience as any with Zaino: do you think that secondary coats of Z-2 without ZFX removed within an hour are superfluous (ie don't last)? I was planning to do additional coats without, but if it takes so long to actually "cure", it sounds like a waste of time.



Thanks,



Todd
 
percynjpn said:
Thanks for the reply; so would you mind if I ask your opinion, as I know you have as much experience as any with Zaino: do you think that secondary coats of Z-2 without ZFX removed within an hour are superfluous (ie don't last)? I was planning to do additional coats without, but if it takes so long to actually "cure", it sounds like a waste of time.



Thanks,



Todd
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Hi Todd,

A single secondary coat of ZFX-less Z2 or Z5 is perfectly okay and will add something to protection and appearance.



From my experience with the new PRO formulations both Z5 and Z2 maximizes appearance at 3 coats.

So if you already applied 2 coats of ZFX enabled Z2/5, the additional ZFX-less layers periodically will yield benefits. This added layer will not wash off during the curing period. "Bonding" to established layers of Zaino starts immediately after application. No waste.



If your guestion Todd, is applying another coat of Z2/5 without ZFX only hour(s) apart is wasteful? IMHO partially.

A secondary layer application is only advantage would be to insure complete coverage.



What I mean by this is that the chances of missing the same spots during a secondary application is minimal. This second application would "momentarily" disruptive to the first application (coat) curing but will not effect the final bonded and cured cumulative coatings which in reality is only "1" layer.



Remember that the finish is has a maximum of bonding sites. When these sites are "filled" there is no place for any more product to bond. The benefit of ZFX's immediate curing is the re-establishment of new bonding sites - the sealant itself that now coats the finish.



Hope this helps and isn't too confusing.
 
As a distributor, I've applied Zaino to a lot of cars for demonstration purposes and to my own many times.



My experience is anywhere between 4 and 6 coats will get you to the maximum level.



A lot depends upon the condition & color of your paint.



Granted, my tests are very subjective. I tested my theory on my newly restored '63 Corvette coupe with 4 coats of urethane paint. The color is Ermine White so it's not a bright white but a light color. I used Z-2PRO for all coats and ZFX. I applied 3 coats, skipped two days, 3 coats, skipped two days, 3 coats. The car was not driven during this time and, of course, garaged at all times. Z-6 was used in between coats.



There was no doubt that the first three coats improved with each application. I noticed a minor improvement after the second three coats but none the less an improvement. The last three coats I noticed no improvement. (I call the last three coats "therapy coats".)



ZFX is DEFINITELY needed. Without using it durability and gloss will not be as good.



You do not need to use it every time you put on a coat of Z-2PRO or Z-5PRO. It must be used at least once a year on show cars, once every 6 months on daily drivers and after 10 applications of Z-2PRO/Z-5PRO without it.



Cure time on a coat of Z-2PRO/Z-5PRO without ZFX is 8 hours.
 
Hi Todd,

A single secondary coat of ZFX-less Z2 or Z5 is perfectly okay and will add something to protection and appearance.



From my experience with the new PRO formulations both Z5 and Z2 maximizes appearance at 3 coats.

So if you already applied 2 coats of ZFX enabled Z2/5, the additional ZFX-less layers periodically will yield benefits. This added layer will not wash off during the curing period. "Bonding" to established layers of Zaino starts immediately after application. No waste.



If your guestion Todd, is applying another coat of Z2/5 without ZFX only hour(s) apart is wasteful? IMHO partially.

A secondary layer application is only advantage would be to insure complete coverage.



What I mean by this is that the chances of missing the same spots during a secondary application is minimal. This second application would "momentarily" disruptive to the first application (coat) curing but will not effect the final bonded and cured cumulative coatings which in reality is only "1" layer.



Remember that the finish is has a maximum of bonding sites. When these sites are "filled" there is no place for any more product to bond. The benefit of ZFX's immediate curing is the re-establishment of new bonding sites - the sealant itself that now coats the finish.



Hope this helps and isn't too confusing.

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I think I get what you mean; I appreciate your advice!



Todd
 
JJU said:
...I call the last three coats "therapy coats".
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A perfect description. :bow



I am assuming you mean "personal" therapy. This stuff maintains its appearance so well that if it were not for adding "therapy coats" we would need to find another hobby. :D
 
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