Layering the Blackfire Allfinish Paint Protection

[stoneweed1]

I've read some posts regarding layering the Blackfire Allfinish Paint Protection - some who have layered approximately 5-6 layers either at one time or over a period of a few weeks.



My question is if there is any advantage to layering (on the same day or over 2-3 days while parked in the garage) multiple layers (say 5 layers) of the All Finish Paint Protection to the vehicle.



what advantage does multiple layers give (shine? durability? protection?)



if one is to top off the final layer with a Souveran carnuaba wax, and if the car is garage and rarely driven during the winter, does the Souveran carnuaba wax still wither away after 90 days and thus more layers of the All finish Paint protections can be added after 90 days without the need for polishing since polishing will eliminate the prior layers of the Blackfire polymer?



thanks

 

[imported_Aurora40]

what advantage does multiple layers give (shine? durability? protection?)

I would say layering will have all those advantages. Will 2 layers be twice as shiny or durable? Probably not. But I think it would increase them by some amount.



The best way to see if there is an advantage is to put a layer on. Get used to it for a day or two. Then put on another. See if you notice it. If you like it better, or if it gives you more piece of mind, then layer away. If not, don't waste your time. Two layers a month apart will give you more durability than two layers a day apart. So maybe if you aren't sold on layers, just apply the protectant more frequently to extend durability. It's all up to you.

 

[CharlesW]

Two layers a month apart will give you more durability than two layers a day apart. So maybe if you aren't sold on layers, just apply the protectant more frequently to extend durability. It's all up to you.

That is the procedure I follow with both AIO/Platinum UPP on my van, and AIO/S100 on my wife's GTP. About every 30 days, another layer of UPP or S100 goes on. It really keeps your vehicle looking good all the time. I will probably use the AIO about every 6 months. My spring detail will consist of the S100 paint cleaner, AIO and UPP on the van. S100 cleaner, AIO, and S100 on the other car. I have heard lots of good thing about the S100 cleaner. so I have to try it. All of these products are so easy to use, I think you could do it weekly without feeling you were overworked. I like easy.



Charles:wavey

 

[stoneweed1]

next question:



if you spend time and effort over 6 months of layering either blackfire or UPP and then apply AIO or any other polish, do u effectively delete all of the layers that you have placed over the course of time and are left with a naked car which then you need to reapply blackfire allfinish paint protection or another polymer?



if the answer is yes, then is it really necessary to polish since you've been maintaining all along with polymer layers and then 2X/year to erase all of your work? or is it still the "right thing to do" since the polish gets rid of stuff that the polymer didn't quite take care of?

 

[CharlesW]

next question:



if you spend time and effort over 6 months of layering either blackfire or UPP and then apply AIO or any other polish, do u effectively delete all of the layers that you have placed over the course of time and are left with a naked car which then you need to reapply blackfire allfinish paint protection or another polymer?



if the answer is yes, then is it really necessary to polish since you've been maintaining all along with polymer layers and then 2X/year to erase all of your work? or is it still the "right thing to do" since the polish gets rid of stuff that the polymer didn't quite take care of?

First off, these are my opinions which may possibly compromise their value.

Yes, I think the AIO will take off most, if not all of what you may have layered for 6 months. It really doesn't take that much time or effort to apply the UPP or the S100, so I never even gave that any thought.

The "right thing to do" only applies to what I think I need to do. To me it seems like it is worthwhile to give the paint a good cleaning a couple of times a year. AIO is pretty mild, so I don't think it will do any damage.

It's a little like the layering every 30 days. Is it necessary for the vehicle? I doubt it. Is it necessary for me? Absolutely!



Charles :xyxthumbs

 

[imported_memnuts]

I believe we ( including myself in the past) put too much emphasis on layering and number of layers of a protectant. Layering is fine but like a chain and its weakest link,

the final finish appearance is dependent on the worst appearing layer. This , of course, takes for granted the surface prep was flawless. If one has 10 flawless layers of a protectant and via a bad wash, dusting, Qd'ing or just driving (friction,wind, sand, etc) the top layer is damaged, layering on top will just seal in the flawed layer and take away from the overall appearance. Since we all accumulate minor surface damage from such activity as washing, dusting and Qd'ing a periodic stripping and re-prepping would be beneficial for maintaining the ultimate swirl-free finish.

Except for bragging rights, 10 flawless layers would appear better ( sorry about the pun) than 300 continuous layers with several flawed layers buried within. JMO

I am a layer but I no longer keep count and do not hesistate to perform minor or major blemish repair ( strip )when necessary and start all over again.:wavey

 

[TortoiseAWD]

Except for bragging rights, 10 flawless layers would appear better ( sorry about the pun) than 300 continuous layers with several flawed layers buried within. JMO

I am a layer but I no longer keep count and do not hesistate to perform minor or major blemish repair ( strip )when necessary and start all over again.:wavey

The first three or four layers were to protect my car's paint. The rest of the layers are to protect my sanity.



I quit fooling myself long ago that my car will look any better with yet another layer . . . my mental health, on the other hand, seems to benefit from it, and that's good enough reason for me.



Tort



Shiny car, calm mind.

 

[imported_memnuts]

The first three or four layers were to protect my car's paint. The rest of the layers are to protect my sanity.



I quit fooling myself long ago that my car will look any better with yet another layer . . . my mental health, on the other hand, seems to benefit from it, and that's good enough reason for me.



Tort



Shiny car, calm mind.

I totally agree!:bounce

 

[stoneweed1]

you to apply a layer of polymer and take buff it off real well. it seems to take me 45min to 1hr - so 3 to 5 layers would be quite a chore to do at once, but of course an additional layer every month wouldn't be so bad.



part of my original post mentioned adding a carnuaba topper (souveran). do any of you top with carnuaba and what is your regimen for subsequent washes after a carnuaba top.



if you top with carnuaba and rarely drive the car in the winter and garage it, does the carnuaba wax still deplete after 90 days regardless of exposure to the elements?

 

[mrdetailer]

you to apply a layer of polymer and take buff it off real well. it seems to take me 45min to 1hr - so 3 to 5 layers would be quite a chore to do at once, but of course an additional layer every month wouldn't be so bad.



part of my original post mentioned adding a carnuaba topper (souveran). do any of you top with carnuaba and what is your regimen for subsequent washes after a carnuaba top.



if you top with carnuaba and rarely drive the car in the winter and garage it, does the carnuaba wax still deplete after 90 days regardless of exposure to the elements?

Most sealants need time to dry. I t hink your once a month would be a good choice. I apply 2-3 coats of Blackfire sealant a week apart, then top with P21S once a month from then on. After putting on the Carnauba I use a carnauba or neutral detailer like Meguiars #40. I only use sealant quick detailers when the sealant is the top coat.



Carnaubas in garaged vehicles can last a lot longer. I use Perfect-It Paste wax on my Dad's garaged vehicle and it doesn't need it any more than once every six months.