klasse SG problem!!!!!!!!!!!!

krouchchocolate

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I applied my last layered yesterday on my car after itz wash. I left the SG to cure in my garage for about 15 hours but my mom took out my car for a drive. I wanted to let it cure for 24 hours before i removed the SG! I was going to remove it today, but she took my car to work. Now what should i do? Should i just rewash the car again.
 
I've never heard of people leaving SG on their car for an entire day without wiping it off. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to remove it then you let the SG cure.



Anywho...does the paint look bad? I can imagine if you didn't remove the SG for a day it's pretty much rock solid on there. If you just want to get the SG off you can use an acrylic QD and it should be able to get that right up. If you really want the SG to stay on there for a day then i'd just use some Dawn, it should be able take all that off.
 
krouchchocolate said:
.......Now what should i do? Should i just rewash the car again.
Yeah, I'd give that a try because it will most likely have some dirt from being driven. There was a recent thread where a member used a wash to remove the SG instead of buffing it off:



http://autopia.org/forum/car-detailing/84744-klasse-sg-removal-technique.html



If you apply the SG thin enough you should be able to buff it off pretty easily, and there really isn't a need to leave it on overnight. Like ConglomrationAL mentioned, just try to keep it dry while it cures for about 24 hours.
 
Yep, just wash it. It will easily remove the SG you were supposed to wipe off but still leaving the protectionand shine on. I wouldn't just QD it unless it is really just a very thin layer of dust.
 
not to sound like a smart @ss or anything but it will shine if you cake it one, klasse has a learning curve, thick is a lot thinner than you may think.
 
Man, I feel like given SG try again. Last time I used was on my 1999 Accord(trade it).

I wonder if I can use SG(apply thin) and use like Durgloss FC to buff it off?
 
The best way to use KSG is throw it in the trash and get a modern sealant...lol.



Krouchchocolate, I think you may be missing the difference between drying and curing. Drying is how long you leave the product on before buffing off...curing is after it's been buffed off..it will offgas and harden etc... There's no need to leave that ksg on so long to dry. For comparison, my bottle of CG Fseal offers 10-15 min drying time and 15-20 min cure times. I believe werkstatt and some others also offer much shorter times than the dinosaur ksg :)
 
I would definitely lean towards washing it. I've read QD'ing may cause hazing on Klasse(never experienced personally) and QD'ing may cause marring if you are not very careful. Washing just seems alot easier and safer. Its not like you'll have to clean the rims again and ripe the top of your hand up on the rotors as you reach all the way back....Sorry, weekend trauma. I really need to get one of those california dusters and try that in soap water on the inside of the rim...
 
krouchchocolate said:
i thikn i will just wash it. Will it be able to get rid of all the SG or most of it?



IMO that's a good idea. I don't think it'll remove much of the SG that you *want* on there, just a good portion of the excess that should've been buffed off anyhow. After you wash and dry, I'd do another coat of SG, but don't leave it on forever; let it dry and then buff it off (yeah, I often leave it on overnight before I buff it off, but that's just me).



FWIW, I put it on so thin that I basically can't see it on the paint. That tiny little bit is always sufficient as I get pretty incredible durability out if KSG.
 
Accumulator, you leave th SG on as well. I'm reading more and more people leave this on as opposed to wipe on wipe off which I found incredibly easy. Its been 2 1/2 months since my seal and the water still flies off and it still looks like I just sealed it after a wash and dry. Is the shine alot better by leaving it on or is the durability extremely improved? How to you buff it off? By hand, PC, rotary, wash, cold distilled water?



Thanks in advance
 
I've had my KSG on since early Jan. and I apply and then wipe off immediately (Wiping off immediately isn't hard either) and it still looks good and protects fine. I'm wondering if there is any advantage to not wiping off immediately, letting it dry for 15 hours and then washing the car again to get the excess KSG off. cause to me it sounds like more of hassle to wash the car again instead of just wiping it off right after applying.

Maybe washing the car after 15 hours of dry time does give better protection?
 
icall- I don't always bother with a long wait on wheels, but I don't use W-O-W-O with them either. I do use W-O-W-O when applying to plastic trim as I get a more uniform appearance that way. I often let the KSG set up on the minivan overnight, but that's because it's often convenient for me to do so.



On the wheels, I let it set up until it's dry. If others want to use W-O-W-O and find that it works fine for them, that's cool, but I'd rather let it dry before I buff off the (minimal) excess.



On the minivan, I let the SG set up for a long time for a few reasons, and some of them wouldn't apply to anybody else. I do find that it buffs off easier the longer I wait. No, it's not a huge difference (except with the goofy-thick applications that I experimented with).



This one might not matter to anybody else: by the time I apply my super-thin application to something the size of the minivan (which I'm not exactly in love with anyhow ;) ) I don't want to spend much more time on it; I'd rather get away from it for a while and come back to it later. My shop lends itself to stuff like this as it stays clean.



I usually buff off KSG with suede-style MF bonnets on the PC or (preferably) the Cyclo. I fog the surface with my breath, go over it with the bonnet, then do a by-hand follow up, usually with another suede-style MF. I do like the suede-style MFs for buffing KSG but plush ones work fine too. IMO the fogging with my breath is very beneficial and doesn't compromise durability any (as the KSG is fully dried, and maybe even cured, by the time I do this).



Given all the posts by all the people using all the different methods with KSG, it seems that whatever works for somebody is what they oughta do- lots of seemingly opposing viewpoints put forward by satisfied people. And IMO the people who find KSG to be a royal PIA oughta just use something else that they find more user-friendly.
 
Lightman- Heh heh, and/or are the kind of stubborn SOBs who're gonna use up that bottle before they buy some newfangled subsitute :D
 
Accumulator- Thanks for the info.



You told me you don't do the wipe on wipe off for other reasons. When you did do it,(try it) did you notice significant durability or shine differences? I really enjoyed the application and the appearance as well as the durability. Its been 2 1/2 months and the water still flies off the car and the car looks freshly sealed after each drying. It looks great, but i was wondering if it would look much better if I left the Klasse on longer.



I am also interested in trying a carnuba wax(souveran) with a PC next time as a topper to the 6 coats of SG I'll be applying. My car is a space gray 2207 335i. My avatar is very close to the true color of the car. Do you think the wax would make a big difference or is this color just not going to get much better?



Thanks in advance for any opinions you provide. I'm new to the boards and appreciate the opinion of people with years of experience.

David
 
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