Klasse All-In-One or IPA wipedown

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Randomhero

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Im working on a paint correction on my 04 black Honda Accord and im looking to save some time (and money on future detailing projects).



Currently my steps are:

Wash

Clay

Ultimate Compound with LC Orange pad

M205 with LC White pad

Klasse All-In-One

Klasse Sealant Glaze



Knowing that M205 has alot of oils in it, and that K-SG needs a clean surface to bond properly. Could i substitute a IPA wipedown in place of the K-AIO? If so, what % IPA would you use?
 
Randomhero- IME the KAIO doesn't come *CLOSE* to removing the M205 oils, virtually zero effect on them whatsoever. So yeah, you do need to do something to strip said oils and I wouldn't rely on mere IPA either.



I've switched to "polishing oil removal products" with much better results. Several on the market these days, but I use AkraClean (I think that's what they call it these days...when I got mine is was still named "PrepWash") from TOL.



But I'd still use the KAIO before the KSG. I know it's probably not necessary, but I still like to do both products when I'm going the Klasse route. Only takes a few minutes...
 
Agree, if you have KAIO, use it. KSG will bond to squeaky clean paint though.
 
Hold on... KAIO won't leave a clean surface. It is an AIO, it is designed to leave a residue! If the KSG will bond over the top of it, it is not all that picky a product at all!
 
K-AIO leaves behind a light coating of sealant. So its easy for KSG to bond for it, says it on the bottle.



Im gonna be doing this for a alot of cars (I do ameteur detailing in the summer), so i want to be as quick and efficient as possible. K-AIO is mildly expensive, and you use more of it than KSG. So i might just give it a good 50% IPA wipe and call it a day until i get some designated prep wash stuff.
 
Well that changes everything. I wouldn't even dream of using the Klasse system for bulk use. Way better products out there.
 
Dan said:
Well that changes everything. I wouldn't even dream of using the Klasse system for bulk use. Way better products out there.
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I agree. I jumped the gun on it before doing enough research on other products. What other LSP sealant would you recommend that is good for bulk use and works with M205?
 
If you are stuck with 205, one of Meg's products or and old school wax. Get HD polish when you run out of 205, it'll make life much easier.
 
Dan said:
If you are stuck with 205, one of Meg's products or and old school wax. Get HD polish when you run out of 205, it'll make life much easier.
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Alright i bought a quart of M205, so that should last half the summer. What is a good LSP after HD Polish?



HD Poxy looks nice, and not too expensive. Nitro Seal i assume would be better, but too expensive for me.
 
Dan said:
Agree, if you have KAIO, use it. KSG will bond to squeaky clean paint though.
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Acrylic polyaminosiloxane or polyethylene-acrylic car care products (Klasse, Jeff Werkstatt or Duragloss #105 Total Performance Polish) contain polyethylene-acrylic acid. The one advantage polyethylene-acrylics offer is that since they are acidic by nature, they hold up better to acidic pollutants (acid rain, bird excrement, industrial fallout (IFO) and etc) however, by the same token, since they are acidic, they can cause minor etching of the paint.



There is no cross-linking capability with this technology, however an acrylic acid causes minor etching of the paint, which enables a modified ‘molecular’ bonding with the paint surface, which in turn results in durability versus just using a polyethylene based products





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PiPUK said:
Hold on... KAIO won't leave a clean surface. It is an AIO, it is designed to leave a residue! If the KSG will bond over the top of it, it is not all that picky a product at all!
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But note that KSG does *NOT* bond to a great number of *other* leaves-stuff-behind products. There appears to be a compatibility between KAIO and KSG and you can't say that about KSG and some other products.
 
Dan said:
If you are stuck with 205, one of Meg's products or and old school wax. Get HD polish when you run out of 205, it'll make life much easier.
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Agree on both counts.



And in Randomhero's situation, I'd *NOT* worry too much about removing the M205 oils (which a 50% IPA mix will have a really hard time doing anyhow).



Eh, I'd just use something from Collinite.
 
Randomhero said:
Alright i bought a quart of M205, so that should last half the summer. What is a good LSP after HD Polish?
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HD Polish is water based, so pretty much anything. Optimum Opti-Seal works very well over it if you want something super easy.
 
Randomhero said:
How about a dawn wash after everything has been corrected?
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Randomhero said:
How about a dawn wash after everything has been corrected?
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What for?



Not intended as a smart-@$$ reply, either :grinno:



Dawn isn't very effective on, say....the M205 oils, but it's OK for those that aren't as tenacious. IMO there's nothing really wrong with a Dawn wash between the polish and LSP steps, BUT...Dawn has limited lubricity and encapsulation, so be careful you don't instill some marring somehow (not a slam at Dawn really, as PrepWash has virtually zero lubricity/encapsulation yet I recommend it all the time).



But I'm tellin' ya, those M205 oils can simply drive you *NUTS* on certain paints. Just SO hard to get em all off/out of the paint. So don't expect miracles from Dawn/IPA/etc. if your situation turns out to be one of those problematic ones.



OTOH, if the paint is *not* one where the oils are a big issue, then IPA or Dawn oughta work fine. Hope you're lucky that way.



But again, in a lot of cases I wouldn't worry about the oils at all, I'd just LSP right over 'em. Not like a customer is gonna have an issue with it. One of those "does the car look good? Well, OK then..." kind of things.
 
Thanks for all the responses, ill just do an IPA wipe between M205 and KSG. Simple, cheap, fast, might help. Either way the car will still look good when the customer comes to pick it up. I wont be using KSG after i finish this jug, it seems very limited in its ability to work with other products. I might switch to the 3D HD product line after i use all my product, its not very expensive either!



Thanks for all the advice.
 
Randomhero- Heh heh, don't expect to go through that jug of KSG very quickly...with less than one ounce for something Suburban-size it might last you a while! I used mine almost exclusively on large vehicles, and layered it at least 6X. After years and years of KSG applications and a few major spills, my little jug still has a lifetime's worth left. I dunno how anybody *ever* uses the stuff up :confused:
 
Accumulator said:
After years and years of KSG applications and a few major spills, my little jug still has a lifetime's worth left. I dunno how anybody *ever* uses the stuff up :confused:
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I've been trying to use mine up! I think it re-generates itself!!!
 
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