Klasse AIO: Can be used on fresh paint next day?

I sure wouldn't do it. The protection it leaves behind might interfere with the outgassing. I don't know if it really does or not, but I wouldn't gamble on it when there are products made just for fresh paint.
 
I'm with Accumulator on this-AIO contains an acrylic sealant and as such will hinder new (fresh?) paint from vaporising (outgas)

JonM
 
Iâ€â„¢m no expert, but I canâ€â„¢t imagine this to be true. AIO (or any other sealant/carnauba for that matter) prevents the paint from breathing, a.k.a. gassing-off. When the paint is unable to breathe, paint will blister or bubble beneath the clear coat. Again, Iâ€â„¢m not an expert nor do I have experience sealing a freshly painted surface. This is simply the explanation given to me by my buddy, a custom painter of 15 years experience.
 
should anything be done to fresh paint?

my new cars's front bumber was scratched by the dealer and they are repainting it, they will have it 3 days. Is tyhere anything i should do to protect it when i get it back?
 
atticdog said:
should anything be done to fresh paint?

my new cars's front bumber was scratched by the dealer and they are repainting it, they will have it 3 days. Is tyhere anything i should do to protect it when i get it back?
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Use a fresh-paint-safe glaze to provide some minimal protection. I prefer Meg's #5, but their #3/#7/#81 work for this too. Also Mother's glaze, 3M IHG, and some others I can't remember.



Just the slickness provided by #5 is a benefit. Stuff doesn't stick as well so there's less chance of marring the fresh paint (still soft while curing) when you wash.
 
TOGWT said:
I'm with Accumulator on this-AIO contains an acrylic sealant and as such will hinder new (fresh?) paint from vaporising (outgas)

JonM
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How long does that take as I am getting the hood and roof of our Maxima re-painted next week?
 
Depends on the paint and other factors (heat cured/"baked" or not, etc.) but the "safe answer" is about six weeks. I always wait longer than that even with the baking and I've never had a problem.



Get some Meg's #5 to use in the meantime, you might even find that you enjoy using the #5 so much that you won't mind the waiting period. It's easy to use and leaves a nicer/slicker finish than some other choices such as IHG.
 
· Newly re- painted vehicle- How long do you have to wait before you can polish or wax a newly painted vehicle surface? Paint is formulated with solvents (30-80% dependant upon manufacturer) once applied paint needs to dry and the solvents need to evaporate (out-gas) to enable the paint to harden (cure) if the paint is covered with a wax or sealant it will arrest the outgas/cure process.





·One exception is the application of a glaze (Mezerna Final Polish II, 3Mâ„¢ Perfect-It IIIâ„¢ Show Car Finishing Glaze, Zanio Z-polish) they are completely safe for fresh paint, as they allow the solvents to evaporate (off-gassing)

Abrasive polish should be avoided until the paint has cured (an abrasive polish will not necessarily harm the soft new paint but unless itâ€â„¢s absolutely necessary I would avoid polish) vehicle washing is encouraged (avoiding harsh detergents or any car wash that uses a high-pressure spray or a wash that contains wax. Also avoid using quick detailing sprays (QD) as they also contain wax)

JonM
 
TOGWT said:
One exception is the application of a glaze (Mezerna Final Polish II, 3Mâ„¢ Perfect-It IIIâ„¢ Show Car Finishing Glaze, Zanio Z-Polish)

JonM
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I assume that by Z polish that you mean Z2Pro, because that is what I am using.



If so, does that mean that you can on Z8 as well?

Thanks boys!
 
Well, this is given that the car just rolled off the factory. I would definitely check when the new car rolled off the factory and into the docks/shipping containers for transit to your dealers. If you had a car sit on the lot for a while before it being sold, I'm sure the paint has settled to the point where you can use AIO or anything else immediately on it.



With that being said, what about the plastic wrap they put on new cars when being transported? Wouldn't that, then, be just as bad for the outgassing of the fresh coat of paint/clearcoat on a car as putting AIO on it?
 
FoundMyPath said:
.......With that being said, what about the plastic wrap they put on new cars when being transported? Wouldn't that, then, be just as bad for the outgassing of the fresh coat of paint/clearcoat on a car as putting AIO on it?
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Most of this discussion seems geared toward fresh paint as in a re-paint (body shop). New car paint is baked at a much higher heat (with no trim, interior, tires, etc.) than is possible for a body shop to use. Because of that and the delay time from factory to you there usually isn't much concern with new factory paint.
 
In general a new car off the lot is OK to wax as they do bake the paint and it probably has taken 3 weeks from the time it was painted to the time you recieve it. A general repaint you should wait for 30 days as a paint shop can't bake the paint as hot or long as the factory since the factory bakes an empty car with no interior wires, ect..
 
I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but a true polymer sealant type of product (i.e. one that doesn't contain any silicone oil) DOES allow outgassing and the release of residual solvents in fresh paint. In other words, a true-polysealant is body-shop safe and can be applied on fresh paint.



So I don't think it's too much of a stretch to believe that KAIO can be applied on fresh paint.



It is NOT the protective abilities of a product that determines whether or not it is body-shop safe. It is the product's ability to allow what's underneath it to outgas properly. Silicone oil will inhibit outgassing on fresh paint.



One way to check and see if a product is a true, crosslinking polymer sealant is to ask the manufacturer if the product is body-shop safe. If they say no, then you can bet the product contains silicone and is not a true crosslinking polymer-sealant.



There are many polymer sealant type of products that claim to be body-shop safe. Examples that come to mind are ProWax's Profection, AutoInt's Paint Sealant (forgot the name), Zaino Z-2/Z-5, KAIO, etc. When Meguiar's says their Speed Glaze contains paintable polymers, they're actually being a little redundant. A true polymer, as long as it isn't mixed in with any silicone oils, IS a paintable product.



I've had a repaint done on my rear bumper and I applied a polymer sealant the very first day I got the car back. It's been 4 years since the repaint and there have been no adverse effects from the sealant.



As for traditional waxes, they are always accompanied with silicone and therefore are not body-shop safe. This is not to say that silicone is bad. In fact, silicone is wonderful for the appearance of your car. It just cannot be used on fresh paint.
 
Fresh paint can go with no protection for a couple months due to the qualities of its natural new surface. This means taking care of it just like a detail, hand washing , etc- I dont know enough about outgassing through sealants, but for my car, I would be rather conservative and just wait a while before I seal it. If there is a cosmetic reason for wanting to immediatley detail it, I would see whoever painted it.... This is just my gut reaction, and perhaps the previous poster is very knowledable in the area.... I am reluctant to tamper with paint until it is fully cured ... opinion mine :nixweiss
 
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