Just ordered The Edge 2000 setup today at work

Invigor said:
haha, you'll get addicted to the speed, man!
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Well, it *would* be nice to not spend all the time, which I really don't have to waste :think:



wannafbody said:
Just one last purchase
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Heh heh, you sound like me discussing the accumulated cars :D I said something like that before I bought the last one.



StealthMode said:
There will always be just one more purchase :o
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Heh heh, you sound like *my wife* discussing the accumulated cars :D She said something like that *after* I bought the last one.



I might get an edge adaptor and one wool pad...just to do the major work on the Audi project. Gotta wash it up some time and see what I'm really gonna be dealing with.
 
Accumulator said:
Well, it *would* be nice to not spend all the time, which I really don't have to waste :think:







Heh heh, you sound like me discussing the accumulated cars :D I said something like that before I bought the last one.







Heh heh, you sound like *my wife* discussing the accumulated cars :D She said something like that *after* I bought the last one.



I might get an edge adaptor and one wool pad...just to do the major work on the Audi project. Gotta wash it up some time and see what I'm really gonna be dealing with.
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Be sure to check out the new industrial adapter! It really has been taking off and people report being much more comfortable with this version over the standard.
 
I have been waiting to type anything negative about the edge 2K system, but I feel that I have enough cars under my belt with the system to give an honest opinion.



I just can't make myself like it. The ergonomics are fine and it is very smooth--not vibration free, but very smooth. Keep in mind that I haven't used it with foam--only wool. My problem lies with the fact it *WILL* contact paint--the adapter that is! On 95% of cars you are fine, but I found out really quick on a 65 Comet front 1/4 panel that it will indeed touch the paint. Luckily, this was aftermarket paint (fresh with a lot of clear). Even on the other 95% of cars, once the wool flattens out from use (about two panels), the adapter is millimeters away from the paint--one wrong contour and you are on paint.



For me, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.



Note that I am opened to suggestions on this piece and can certainly vouch for the fact that *most* of the time when I don't like a product, it's simply user error.
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I have been waiting to type anything negative about the edge 2K system, but I feel that I have enough cars under my belt with the system to give an honest opinion.



I just can't make myself like it. The ergonomics are fine and it is very smooth--not vibration free, but very smooth. Keep in mind that I haven't used it with foam--only wool. My problem lies with the fact it *WILL* contact paint--the adapter that is! On 95% of cars you are fine, but I found out really quick on a 65 Comet front 1/4 panel that it will indeed touch the paint. Luckily, this was aftermarket paint (fresh with a lot of clear). Even on the other 95% of cars, once the wool flattens out from use (about two panels), the adapter is millimeters away from the paint--one wrong contour and you are on paint.



For me, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.



Note that I am opened to suggestions on this piece and can certainly vouch for the fact that *most* of the time when I don't like a product, it's simply user error.
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I don't want to seem like I am challenging you on this, but want you to keep in mind that the adapter and all the metal is below the surface of the plastic disc that it mates with. This means that the adapter no matter how hard you push or how much of the material, either wool or foam wears down, the adapter STILL remains below the surface of the plastic disc. If by chance you pressed hard enough to get to the disc, which would be really hard, the disc itself is designed not to scratch paint but to disintigrate leaving a scuff that can buff off. This system has been tried and tested in well over 100,000 pads without fail. Truthfully, I would be much more worried about an exposed backing plate hitting the car, or velcro failing and the pad flying off leaving you to drag the buffer and plate against the paint both situations that happen on a daily basis in the real world. I will concede that if you place the pad with the adapter right over a corner like a point on the car, or the washer nubs on some hoods and press down, you could hit the adapter, but you would also have burned the paint off that area in the same time. As a rule in buffing you don't want to buff on sharp corners or raised areas because they have very little paint there to begin with.
 
Hmm...knowing ebpcivicsi as well as I do, I take his experience seriously (Joe isn't just somebody I know as an online acquaintance).



Previously, ScottWax's experiences and opinions had put my fears to rest, but that was with regard to foam pads, not wool.



The Edge- I'll check out that new "industrial" adaptor. I read with interest all the threads where you post about your products. I do believe you've invented a better mousetrap.



Eventually I'll (probably ;) ) use up all my velcro-backed pads and I'll be buying your stuff, at least for the Cyclos and probably for foam pad applications on the rotaries as well.



When it comes to wool pads (my immediate interest), I don't want to get in the middle of anything between you and ebpcivicsi, but I'd like to give the matter more thought (and wait to see if there's some resolution to/explanation for what he experienced) before I consider switching. With the original paint being of such importance of so many of my cars, even the most remote possibility of damage like he experienced (if only from the plastic disc) is unacceptable to me (in over 20 years of machine polishing I've *never* had any backing plate/etc. related problems- that's not a challenge or anything, just the experience I'm going by that's left me confident with what I'm using now).
 
ebpcivicsi said:
I have been waiting to type anything negative about the edge 2K system, but I feel that I have enough cars under my belt with the system to give an honest opinion.



I just can't make myself like it. The ergonomics are fine and it is very smooth--not vibration free, but very smooth. Keep in mind that I haven't used it with foam--only wool. My problem lies with the fact it *WILL* contact paint--the adapter that is! On 95% of cars you are fine, but I found out really quick on a 65 Comet front 1/4 panel that it will indeed touch the paint. Luckily, this was aftermarket paint (fresh with a lot of clear). Even on the other 95% of cars, once the wool flattens out from use (about two panels), the adapter is millimeters away from the paint--one wrong contour and you are on paint.



For me, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.



Note that I am opened to suggestions on this piece and can certainly vouch for the fact that *most* of the time when I don't like a product, it's simply user error.
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joe, thanks for your honest review. as mentioned by Accumulator, i also take your experience seriously as well...
 
The Edge said:
I don't want to seem like I am challenging you on this, but want you to keep in mind that the adapter and all the metal is below the surface of the plastic disc that it mates with. This means that the adapter no matter how hard you push or how much of the material, either wool or foam wears down, the adapter STILL remains below the surface of the plastic disc. If by chance you pressed hard enough to get to the disc, which would be really hard, the disc itself is designed not to scratch paint but to disintigrate leaving a scuff that can buff off. This system has been tried and tested in well over 100,000 pads without fail. Truthfully, I would be much more worried about an exposed backing plate hitting the car, or velcro failing and the pad flying off leaving you to drag the buffer and plate against the paint both situations that happen on a daily basis in the real world. I will concede that if you place the pad with the adapter right over a corner like a point on the car, or the washer nubs on some hoods and press down, you could hit the adapter, but you would also have burned the paint off that area in the same time. As a rule in buffing you don't want to buff on sharp corners or raised areas because they have very little paint there to begin with.
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I was buffing an edge, it did indeed contact the adapter *and* the plastic part. I don't think that just because you buff a corner/edge that it will burn--I was buffing fresh paint with 1500 RPM's. I did scratch the paint, but luckily I was able to resand the spot and all was well.



I just have to repectfully disagree at this point (and please note that I am certainly willing to concede that it is user error). I really just can't rationalize the use of the adapter after that incident. I have *never* (knocks wood) damaged paint with a buffer, then my third time out with this adapter I gouge a $100,000 car. I am sure that it works for most, on most paints, but for me I just can't see myself going back to it. I am certainly open for discussing my technique/lack of knowlege of the product.
 
Here is a picture of the car--the arrow shows the area that was damaged. Had I continued to buff that ridge, it would have gouged the entire panel.



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OK, I'm home taking care of my daughter who's sick and well, I'm bored since she went to sleep. I went out to the garage, got a yellow Edge, 8" pad and the adapter and took some hard looks at it. I measured 1 inch of wool from the adapter to the edge of the wool nap. I'm having a hard time visualizing how the adapter made contact with the paint, if you would, please post a picture showing the pad and rotary at the time this occured. Since I have this set-up, I'd really appreciate knowing - so I don't have the same accident.



Thanks

Jimmy
 
JuneBug said:
OK, I'm home taking care of my daughter who's sick and well, I'm bored since she went to sleep. I went out to the garage, got a yellow Edge, 8" pad and the adapter and took some hard looks at it. I measured 1 inch of wool from the adapter to the edge of the wool nap. I'm having a hard time visualizing how the adapter made contact with the paint, if you would, please post a picture showing the pad and rotary at the time this occured. Since I have this set-up, I'd really appreciate knowing - so I don't have the same accident.



Thanks

Jimmy
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I have the 6" pads--not sure if the clearance is different. :nixweiss



It maybe an inch right now, but it flattens out *a lot* once you have done a panel or two. It flattens out so much that I have been reluctant to use it--even after "test" fitting the adapter-equipped polisher. Perhaps it's just me, or perhaps it's user error (as previously posted), but it just isn't for me. I will try it with foam and see how that goes--I suspect that it will perform well.
 
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