Just got the Guru Reports Wax Test!
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I have used Blitz wax for 6 years but now rely more on P21S and Soveran. Blitz had a propensity for turning my Guards Red 911 a little darker shade of Red over time. Did not like that. I like waxes that lighten up a Red color like P21 and Soveran do.
Anyone else experience that with Blitz? A darkening affect.
Having said that, I really disagree with the Guru Report on the B rating for ease of use with Blitz (on/off). From experience I felt that Blitz went on like butter and came off like margarine. Personally, of the 3 carnauba waxes, P21 comes off harder than Soveran or Blitz.
Anyone else experience that with Blitz? A darkening affect.
Having said that, I really disagree with the Guru Report on the B rating for ease of use with Blitz (on/off). From experience I felt that Blitz went on like butter and came off like margarine. Personally, of the 3 carnauba waxes, P21 comes off harder than Soveran or Blitz.
Blitz does darken a bit. I found it much more difficult to remove than Souveran especially after it hazed. It's a nice, cheap wax, but for a few extra bucks (well maybe a bunch of extra bucks) I would go for P21S or Souveran. I did find that Blitz lasted a week or so longer than the others.
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Mmmph
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I've said it before...S100/P21S...That stuff goes on and comes off easier than any other paste wax I've ever used.
imported_Intermezzo
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jmsc said:
It definitely darkened the paint on my wife's black car. It wasn't nearly as glossy as waxes like P21S or Souveran.
jmsc said:
I found Blitz extremely easy to work with as long as it was applied in very thin coats. Dry-time was around 10 minutes and buffing took very little effort. However, I would still give the edge to P21S and Souveran because of their trim-friendliness and also because they're buffed out immediately after application to a single panel.
Steve @ Guru
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Veed - according to DHL, magazines can only be shipped to the Phillipines with "special permission" - I have no idea what this means... but, the price would probably be prohibitive regardless - a minimum of almost $40 shipping. ???
Also - I need to clarify for everyone:
Your Mileage May Vary - we tested in a semi-controlled environment, that is, we didn't drive the panels around. They were not subject to road debris, abrasion, etc. This was strictly meant to be a side-by-side-by-side, eliminate as many variables as possible test.
In real life will P21S outlast Blitz? Probably not. In real life will #26 outlast RainDance? Probably. Did we have some typo/editing problems? Yep. Did we learn from our first magazine effort? You betcha.
I didn't want this to become "The Bible" - but rather a good starting point for making some decisions about future purchases and also as a Genesis for tests yet to come.
Also - I need to clarify for everyone:
Your Mileage May Vary - we tested in a semi-controlled environment, that is, we didn't drive the panels around. They were not subject to road debris, abrasion, etc. This was strictly meant to be a side-by-side-by-side, eliminate as many variables as possible test.
In real life will P21S outlast Blitz? Probably not. In real life will #26 outlast RainDance? Probably. Did we have some typo/editing problems? Yep. Did we learn from our first magazine effort? You betcha.
I didn't want this to become "The Bible" - but rather a good starting point for making some decisions about future purchases and also as a Genesis for tests yet to come.
jerry@robs
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geekysteve said:
Yeah, most of the time, shipping costs more than the product... Luckily, i think i can get my friend from Seattle to get it for me... Hope I can make the order in time...
ULUA.LAWAIA
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I applaud geekysteve and thewaxtest.org people for putting the effort into the report. I don't think people should think of it as the 'authority' on the best waxes, but rather as a comprehensive reference material for all the different brands of waxes out there.
I also like that it's in full color magazine form -- it's great bedtime reading.
I also like that it's in full color magazine form -- it's great bedtime reading.
geekysteve-since it is obvious the Meguiars #26 score should have been higher due to the fact it beaded all 8 weeks, including after the snow and ice, could you recalculate the score and rerank it for us? In all honesty, according to your own testing, it was superior in every way in both appearance and durability to Mothers, which was rated number one in it's catagory. I know you rank #26 lower in ease of use and it isn't as widely available (although in the Dallas area, if they have Mother's on the shelf, they also have Meguiars). , but in the catagories that really count, #26 was better.
And no, I obviously don't expect a reprint, but could you redo the score just for us Autopians?
And no, I obviously don't expect a reprint, but could you redo the score just for us Autopians?
Steve @ Guru
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Scottwax said:... could you recalculate the score and rerank it for us? In all honesty, according to your own testing, it was superior in every way in both appearance and durability to Mothers, which was rated number one in it's category...
And no, I obviously don't expect a reprint, but could you redo the score just for us Autopians?
I'm very hesitant to "rescore" anything officially, even though it was a mistake because knowing the internet, it will get twisted and spun as "Guru Reports redid their grades" or something like that....
I know what happened - the grades for application and durability got mixed up by the graphics layout person. I found the same mistake in a few different places prior to publishing, and I guess I missed that one. My rough draft notes indicate that was probably the case.
Regarding the Mothers wax in the same class, we probably should have given it a slightly (marginally) higher rating for durability, since it was technically beading (barely) at 6 weeks. Like I said, lots of scenarios for us to learn from.
Seems like this report could have been proofed a little bit better. In regards to regrading or correcting your errors, you should print or publish corrections. Hey the New York Times does it all the time.
By not printing or announcing a retraction, you damage the value of this publication, as well as your reputation.
Your excuse that this was a good start and a learning experience is nonsense.
Hey I remember when your test results were FREE!
By not printing or announcing a retraction, you damage the value of this publication, as well as your reputation.
Your excuse that this was a good start and a learning experience is nonsense.
Hey I remember when your test results were FREE!
merc320 said:
I have to agree. By not redoing the score for #26, you are being very unfair to Meguiars. Hey, mistakes happen, it's what you do once you realize you've made one.
I think by rescoring the products with errors you would further enhance the reputation of Guru Reports because you would willing to admit to mistakes and show a willingness to correct them. Remember, you redid everything with Zainos when you realized it was not applied correctly.
I'm with Scott and Merc320. It would be a relatively simple thing to post the corrections up on their website and offer a plain explaination.Scottwax said:
I suppose one stumbling block to this would be a potential PR problem with people who've purchased the report and see this as a failing. But I think as long as the editors are honest and open about it and don't try to be sly or make excuses, it will enhance the report's reputability and trustworthiness.
I hate to make this comparison, but even Consumers Reports makes corrections occasionally.
chevyguy28
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Just to add some more fuel to the fire. A little birdy told me that Platinum is reportedly working on a UPP update to make it more durable...they are listening to customers.
Steve, this should be included in the next test if it is ready by then.
Steve, this should be included in the next test if it is ready by then.
If there were any other Collinite waxes evaluated, could you give me some info as to where they wound up on the list? I've been using their 476S, was thinking of going to the 845 Insulator. I was looking for greater ease of removal, recommendations would be appreciated, thanks. ('00 Civic SI- black)
Steve @ Guru
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Here goes:
We didn't test the Insulator wax, but we did test Concours 'De Elegance and the Super Double Coat Auto Wax. Finished 9th and 12th, respectively.
We can't do any more reports until we sell the last of our magazines....darn things are expensive to print; so, if anyone else wants free info, just ask - I might as well go further in debt!
Too late, I ordered it last week!geekysteve said:
We can't do any more reports until we sell the last of our magazines....darn things are expensive to print; so, if anyone else wants free info, just ask - I might as well go further in debt!
:xyxthumbs I just hope Lisa gets back to me tomorrow about changing that $40 shipping charge to $4.85!
hondaguy2582
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was #20 or blackfire tested?
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