Just finished using the Z2 Pro

Alex, I have the Turtle wax Platinum its not a bad product, Its glossy. As far as dust IMO I think that the Carnuba's are staticy if thats a word and the do IMO collect dust and such more than Zaino,FMJ and Slickshine. Again IMO,tested on my car's. Don't believe everything you read.



Scottwax, You seem to dis Zaino every chance you get. What is you product of choice? send me a sample or let me know where I can buy it .I will you give an honest evaluation .



As far as silicone ,you don't actually believe thats is good for your finish do you? My friends and I put pledge on a car to see what would happen, It was shinny as hell although it did streak a little.

Can you say silicone.



As far as all the Zaino steps Please!! All I do is wash my car, and mix up an ounce ( I know its time consuming to put in 4 drops of ZFX in) and I am good to go ,apply it wait 20 min then near perfection. How much easier can that be?



I have a lot of products that I really like such as FMJ,Surluster,Stuf,Shining Monkey,Mothers ,Colinite and so on.

Two products that I was really dissapointed in are Souvran and BlackFire. I really hoped i would like them ,hell I bought both whole kits Mabe becuase of the hype and that they really didn't make me say WOW. They are probably good products, but not what I was looking for. i am open to any product that works and will try and will continue to try what ever i get my hands on. If I find something better I will be the first to let everyone know.



So lets stop fighting about dust ,Zaino and Souvran. Scottwax since I joined this site you take every opportunity to down Zaino and say how complicated it is to use with all the steps. Why?
 
dogma said:
Scottwax since I joined this site you take every opportunity to down Zaino and say how complicated it is to use with all the steps. Why?
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I'll let scott speak for himself but personally I don't get the feeling that scott put's zaino down especially after he tried it himself. What I do get from him that in his detailing enviroment , zaino is not the best choice for him. I can certainly understand that, being that I primaraly use Zaino for my customers car I know that wouldn't want to use it if I was mobile. I am one of the few pro's that use zaino on customers car but it fits my needs very well and that's why I use it. I also started using FMJ because it is a bit easier to use but I won't stop using zaino in favor of it. On the other side of the stick I continue to try new stuff all the time just so I can compare them, have I found Zaino better then most other products? Well yes and no , I'm not going to rant about how it is the best LSP ever or how everthing else is crap , no rather I feel it's the best LSP for my customers because of the shine and durabilty. I'm still not sure why some people get so bent out of shape when someone doesn't like zaino it's all realative what ever works for you, use it. Personally I do think zaino set the benchmark in alot of ways but others may not agree but as long as you're filling your particular needs that's all that matters.
 
Not that Scott needs any defending but I do not see anything grossly wrong with someone not preferring a process (ZFX). That is why there are so many products out there for us to choose from.

We really need to get away from this "my product is better than yours" and just discuss the products. I like Klasse somewhat but even the WOWO procedure is a PITA. but many swear by this product. Great! They found what works for them. Isn't this the bottomline. I love the Zaino system because it works for me and meets my detailing needs and challenges me to prep properly. I have been detailing for over 40 years and nothing has satisfied me more than this system on all colors and my need to have my vehicles looking great in all type of weather and cleaning frequency. Zaino meets those goals. I am sure other fine products discussed here do the same for others. Again Great!



We all have closets full of products we have tried (purchased). Some worked and some just dissappointed. These same products someone else raves about. Go figure.

Bottomline is that we have the right to like what serves our detailing goals. If someone does not agree or match your assessment, read and discuss but do not diss their opinion or try to convince everyone that you are right and he/she is wrong.



Let's get back to more discussion about the processes that make different products satisfy our goals rather than leading cheering and jeering sections about different company products.



We all want our vehicles to look great. That is why most of us are here. :nixweiss
 
Dogma .. take this from a fellow Zaino user. Scottwax's and Alex's preferences are clearly for the look that carnauba's offer, nothing wrong with that. I too find Scotwax's points about the problems with using ZFX overstated, but he is entitled to his own opinion, without anyone calling him out and questioning his motives.



I'm really pleased you found the LSP you like best, like me you fall into the "like sealants better" group, best of luck to you. Time to relax.



To be honest Im not sure that comparing sealants with carnaubas is very helpful, we don't compare glazes with sealants, most would consider glazes and sealants in different classes of products. I think we should think the same way about sealants and carnaubas, they are different enough in my mind to separate them and compare them mainly within their own class of products. A confimed "carnauba man" will probably never go for a sealant and vise versa.



Enjoy your Zaino and the super looks it offers and please let this discussion drop, it is getting way too personal and it is going nowhere, no .. let me correct that, has gone nowhere already.



Enjoy your time at Autopia and again please accept that this forum is a "broard church" where members can and do, like and prefer a large number of different products.



Have a nice day :)
 
RedondoV6 said:
hehehe .. now you are stretching, that comparison is THREE years old. Even if you accept the results (I've never had a problem with dusting) Zaino Z2 has been revised at least once since then and the completely new Z2 Pro has been released.



Come on Alex.. If you prefer a Carnauba just say so... no big deal. If you are going to criticize a Z2 Pro at least try it for yourself. At the moment your criticism sounds kinda hollow.



BTW. Your statement regarding Zaino users:

This was a breakthrough for the majority of its users, who unfortunately fall in the category of zealots.



will be offensive to many Zaino users who just use Zaino because it delivers for them. Keep it up and I may start calling the majority of carnauba users retrograde, luddite old fogeys who are afraid of anything new :lol Not really, but you get my point... over generalization and name calling like that does not belong in Autopia.
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You got a point about the review being old.... ;)

I have NEVER denied that I prefer how carnaubas look on reds and darks. You get used after a while, but jumping from sealant to carnauba in a navy blue is kind of revealing.



My intention joining this thread wasn't to bash Z2 pro, and I think I haven't. I just wanted to put things in perspective. When you read an statement about the new miracle product being 10 times better than the widely accepted king of reds and darks you'll have to ask for proof. I even suggested pictures. No pictures yet.

Then, we get the "it attracts dust less, it is the best, it is not full of that silicone crap that the other have, that is why I use" I even linked information PROVING that at least at one point in time it attracted dust more. Where is the hollow aspect there?



My statement about the majority of zaino users being zealots is not an attack, is a FACT. Granted, the majority of autopians who use it and like it are not zealots, but just check everywhere else and tell me if I am wrong. Even here once in a while you have them coming. The reason that the majority of zaino users here in autopia are not zealots is because they already learned how important preparation is (I am sorry, dishsoap and Z5 don't count as proper preparation) You have also to understand that the majority of zaino users are nowehere close in detailing knowledge to the typical autopian (autopian zaino user falls in the group of autopian) The true zealots feel the system is almost divine because they don't know more. Myself I really thought it was the best when I saw it, and what stopped me from using it was all the weird requirements. After I learned what every autopian knows (proper paint preparation), I realized it was just a carefully laid out process where cleanliness was crucial. The miracle status became then respect and admiration for a well planned system, but nothing more. Tell the average zaino user at a different forum about not using Z5 for swirls, but rather use poorboys SSR2, 3M Pi-III MG, Menzerna IP, Megs speed glaze (#80) or sonus SFX-2 and see the answer you'll get.



I'll repeat, the average autopian zaino user is not a zealot, they already know that paint prep helps a lot. As examples we have blkz28Conv, who is truly a gentleman that after trying many other products and preparing paint the proper way just prefers the Z-ystem. That is perfectly fine. Ask how many of the non autopian z users have have tried other products and prepared the paint properly (clay and true polish). Not many. The starter of the thread didn't even polish his paint!!



As final comments, you can't call us retrograd as I DO love sealants.... in light, metallic lights and whites they surely beat carnaubas. But in dark colors they look "too artificial" for my taste. Granted, some sealants such as UPP, EX and the new Z2 Pro look deep and very rich, but still not carnauba like in dark colors. Different tastes. We are not bashing Z, we just hate the comments of "10 times better" or "it is not full of that crap". Scott LOVES how the Z2 pro looks in his family Oddysey. He still doesn't like the system but surely liked the result. I have always liked the result but hated the process. How is that bashing? Autopia opens new dors, and that is what happened in my case.



So now get me the MF and give me some pads.....





Alex
 
dogma said:


As far as all the Zaino steps Please!! All I do is wash my car, and mix up an ounce ( I know its time consuming to put in 4 drops of ZFX in) and I am good to go ,apply it wait 20 min then near perfection. How much easier can that be?
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It doesn't sound bad as long as you're doing it just once a week.. But scott is a pro. Mixing zfx, possibly 3 times a day, can probably get tiring after doing it every day for several months. You also have to mix in just the right amount for one vehicle and wind up waste the remaining quarter ounce or so. Again, not a big deal to us, but it adds up for a pro. Finally, the zaino system also doesn't recommend using their sealant over a freshly polished surface , which means an extra 10 - 20 minutes to get off the polishing oils.
 
Ok, fair enough. I felt I was getting attacked maybe they were just opinions? Lets let it go and move on.
 
Dogma,

I agree the new Z2pro is the bees knees for me personally but I have come to respect that other people feel that way about the products they like. I haven't chimned in but this post just isn't going to die. You cannot do anything about Haters, they will hunt for these types of posts. Trust me they will never move on. It is a higher truth to say these people are Zealots about their hatred than to say someone likes a product. I have been guilty of it myself when I first joined, but learned it isn't good for Autopia to behave this way. I personally find, be it through trial and error, it is better to post your thread and then take it all in for a while if there's negative statements then reply once at the end. Just a suggestion and thanks for the post, sorry it was running amuck. Sometimes statements are so bizarre it's hard to walk away but hey it's just a chat room. You never know who is really making the statements and what they have on the line. Anyone who would consistantly bash a top quality product has an agenda for some reason or another and nothing you can do will change it.



I also agree with Raymond and Scott, Zaino isn't for express detailers currently. There has been some evidence in this post they may be making something specifically for express detailers, I guess we will see what they new product is all about shortly. I would say Zaino is the only product available for high end details like the ones I do. I usually only take one car per day and I put multiple coats so for me personally there is no other polish out there that will fit my needs. AIO and SG comes close to being an option because when used in tandem the two almost put two coats of protection on but it is a little more work using SG for me. It just happens that Zaino fits my niche because it has an instant cure and good results period. When topping a non-cured product or putting two coats of a product before curing, you are wasteing energy because all your doing is mixing your coats. If you don't wait for product cure, you mise well put sealant and nuba on the same applicator and save the energy of doing a second coat. Most people would wear a sweater and a coat in a blizzard, so my philosophy is two coats is always better than one, and three coats is always better than two, and so on. As a detailing purest any company who develops an instant cure deserves kudos. I'm sure it is an expensive and tedious process and the people who benefit the most are detailing purists. I am personally dissapointed that other companies have not come up with instant cures now that it is obviously possible. Give respect where it's earned. Peace Q
 
dogma said:


Scottwax, You seem to dis Zaino every chance you get. What is you product of choice? send me a sample or let me know where I can buy it .I will you give an honest evaluation .
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Are you just selectively reading, hoping to be offended by me?



Originally posted by Scottwax

Where Z2 Pro will probably fit in is for family details. That way, since I don't really have much time any more for my parent's cars, a product that looks great and has 6 months durability makes a lot of sense.



After trying Z2 Pro, I must admit I can see the appeal of Zaino. Very easy to use if you ignore all the weird 50 step applications some people use and it has a very nice, wet shine. It is also proving to be very durable as well.



I must admit that Z2 Pro is a lot wetter looking than I expected. It is still going strong on my brother's Odyssey after more than two months and tunnel car washes.



From this thread: http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50217



I find it interesting you feel Z2 Pro is harder to apply/remove than the original Z2. After trying Z2 Pro myself, the only way it would go on easier is for it to jump out of the bottle and apply and remove itself! It seemed as easy to use to me as Wolfgang.



I definitely agree about the wet look. It is also holding up well on my brother's van.



From this thead:http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47850&perpage=12&pagenumber=1



That sounds like it is now really in a form that can be used by pros just as easily as any other product. That is excellent news. Based on your durability results (and I know your area is tough on waxes/sealants), it seems like a great option for my once or twice a year customers.



In any event, I was pretty happy with my test of Zaino so I'll probably order some Z2 Pro and play around with it.
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How about my Zaino review?



http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47378&highlight=my+zaino+review



As far as silicone ,you don't actually believe thats is good for your finish do you? My friends and I put pledge on a car to see what would happen, It was shinny as hell although it did streak a little.

Can you say silicone.
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Where are you getting your information about silicone from? This is what really bothers me about some Zaino users. You really have no idea what you are talking about if:



1. You honestly believe silicones in Pledge are the same as the ones in waxes.



2. That the silicones in waxes are somehow bad for your paint.



As far as all the Zaino steps Please!! All I do is wash my car, and mix up an ounce ( I know its time consuming to put in 4 drops of ZFX in) and I am good to go ,apply it wait 20 min then near perfection. How much easier can that be?
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Where did I say you take a lot of steps? I was talking about some Zaino users. Again, if you would carefully read what I have said, you would see I make that distinction. There was a thread here on Autopia a year or two ago with this title "I am 15 hours into my first Zaino detail and I'm only half done". That is the type of person I am talking about. If you don't fit into that catagory you shouldn't be getting offended.



FYI, when I used Zaino, I laid down a layer of AIO than did Z2 Pro w/ZFX x 3. Took me maybe an hour to apply and remove 3 layers from an Odyssey (if I remember right, I used Z-6 in between the first 2 layers).



So lets stop fighting about dust ,Zaino and Souvran. Scottwax since I joined this site you take every opportunity to down Zaino and say how complicated it is to use with all the steps. Why?
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I think I have proven you selectively read my posts and ignore anything positive I say about Zaino.
 
Wow, there are some truly stupid remarks in this thread, and some people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.



This thing needs to die, just like most every other Zaino thread on this "unbiased" forum :rolleyes:
 
Scott I was reffering to Raymonds statement about mixing several ZFX/Z2 solutions per day. I meant no disrespect, but if someone does 4 or so details a day I would consider that more express than me who never does more than one per day and sometimes one per two days. My use of term express has nothing to say about quality just time. I certainly wasn't making the statement that a mobil detailer is comparable to the corner car wash.
 
Burlyq said:
Scott I was reffering to Raymonds statement about mixing several ZFX/Z2 solutions per day. I meant no disrespect, but if someone does 4 or so details a day I would consider that more express than me who never does more than one per day and sometimes one per two days. My use of term express has nothing to say about quality just time. I certainly wasn't making the statement that a mobil detailer is comparable to the corner car wash.
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Sorry to interupt but this is the only way I can get a hold of Burlyq.



Burlyq, Would it be possible for you to email me? I would greatly appreciate it.



Checkout profile for either email or PM. Thanks.



David
 
Burlyq said:
Scott I was reffering to Raymonds statement about mixing several ZFX/Z2 solutions per day. I meant no disrespect, but if someone does 4 or so details a day I would consider that more express than me who never does more than one per day and sometimes one per two days. My use of term express has nothing to say about quality just time. I certainly wasn't making the statement that a mobil detailer is comparable to the corner car wash.
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:cool: I just wanted to made sure I understood you correctly. Just FYI, my understanding of an express detail is a wash, cleaner wax, vacuum and interior and tire protectant. No deep cleaning at all.
 
Well, even with all the "Zaino" good and bad fights, I ordered some Z2 Pro to test for myself. I'll come to my own conclusion. I hope Im not disappointed.
 
Ed Hartman said:
Well, even with all the "Zaino" good and bad fights, I ordered some Z2 Pro to test for myself. I'll come to my own conclusion. I hope Im not disappointed.
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Your're a brave man Ed!! You'll be more brave if you post your review and findings :rofl



Seriously .. good luck with it, hope it works for you :)
 
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