Just finished using the Z2 Pro

blkZ28Conv said:
Spray Sealant :D



The sample tested by Steve was not even the latest revision (tweeked). This stuff rocks and I believe Sal plans on releasing within the next fews weeks.

This product also meets all VOC regulations and there is absolutely no carnuaba or synthetic wax components in this product. :xyxthumbs
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Don't Synthetic wax components=polymers? Z6 contains gloss enhancers and polymers.



If Z8 has neither wax nor synthetic wax components in it what is in it?



Will Z6 be discontinued in favor of Z8? Or will Z8 replace Z2,Z3 and Z5 since it is a sealant?



Where does Z8 fit in?
 
Polymer is a generic term for any chain of hydrocarbons. Simple examples of polymers that are completely unrelated in function are sugars, ethers, esters and even natural products like cotton and manmade polymers like MF's. Because a product has a polymeric structure does not mine they are the same or even related. :cool:



As Zane stated the spray sealant will not replace Z6 or any component of the Zaino system but compliment the system. The sealant is interchangeable in terms of layering the polishes without interference. It can be used as a "super" QD , a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer or a stand alone protection re-enforcer.

Is this spray sealant more than an alcohol, oil and water solution -Yes.



Will the spray sealant compete in the inexpensive region of QD's - No.
 
You seem to be dancing around my questions using these terms[a "super" QD, a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer or a stand alone protection re-enforcer] rather than answering them except for the fact that Z6 will not be discontinued.



What is a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer? I usually apply Z6 beforehand to get the surface as clean as possible if not using Z1 or ZFX. Is Z8 far superior to Z6 and why continue buying Z6 if this is the case?



A "super" QD...Again are you implying that Z6 is an inferior product when used for Qding.



A post wax gloss enhancer...Again are you saying that Z6 is an inferior product and Z8 is better for this purpose?



A standalone protection re-enforcer??? I can't figure out what you are talking about with these words.



Why wouldn't Z6 become obsolete if this new Z8 sealant is far superior to it?
 
Wow, if this Z2-Pro is as good as people are saying it will make things simple for me. I usually put Zaino on for the winter, and then mess around with other sealants in the summer trying to get the best look. I'm hoping that the Z2-Pro will become my all-year sealant.



My ZFX is going on 2 years old, so as soon as that Z-8 comes out I'm ready to put in my order for the works! Now the only problem is what to do with the 4 or 5 older formulations of Z2 and Z5 that I have? :nixweiss
 
1. I am going to use the Mother Syn wax on my wifes Metalic Blue van tomorrow. I will give a review.



2. How much better than Z2. Wetter and deeper if thats possible.

I had friends come over to help compare,like I said before WOW!!



3. I couldn't imagine Z6 being replaced when its awesome. I would think the Z8 would be a show version when you need that little extra. My analogy is its probably Z6 on steriods!



4. Question on price. My God souvran is $70 and NXT is $15 PLEASE !!



5. Yes you still need the ZFX



6. Whats in Z8 ?, you be suprised whats in most detailing sprays. As far as Z8 its probably everything you need and nothing you don't. And it won't kill you !!
 
dogma said:
WOW, I found what I am looking for in wetness and gloss.

I had already put a coat of Z5 and after the Z2 pro I couldn't believe it! Zaino has out done themselves on this one!
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Let's see some pics....:D
 
RIC said:
You seem to be dancing around my questions using theses terms[a "super" QD, a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer or a stand alone protection re-enforcer] rather than answering them except for the fact that Z6 will not be discontinued.



What is a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer? I usually apply Z6 beforehand to get the surface as clean as possible if not using Z1 or ZFX. Is Z8 far superior to Z6 and why continue buying Z6 if this is the case?



A "super" QD...Again are you implying that Z6 is an inferior product when used for Qding.



A post wax gloss enhancer...Again are you saying that Z6 is an inferior product and Z8 is better for this purpose?



A standalone protection re-enforcer??? I can't figure out what you are talking about with these words.



Why wouldn't Z6 become obsolete if this new Z8 sealant is far superior to it?
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They are different products, but complimentary. If this isn't making sense to you, you should give Sal a call on Monday and he'll give you the best information on it you could imagine. :)
 
RIC said:
You seem to be dancing around my questions using these terms[a "super" QD, a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer or a stand alone protection re-enforcer] rather than answering them except for the fact that Z6 will not be discontinued.



What is a pre-wax (sealant) gloss enhancer? I usually apply Z6 beforehand to get the surface as clean as possible if not using Z1 or ZFX. Is Z8 far superior to Z6 and why continue buying Z6 if this is the case?



A "super" QD...Again are you implying that Z6 is an inferior product when used for Qding.



A post wax gloss enhancer...Again are you saying that Z6 is an inferior product and Z8 is better for this purpose?



A standalone protection re-enforcer??? I can't figure out what you are talking about with these words.



Why wouldn't Z6 become obsolete if this new Z8 sealant is far superior to it?
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First of all this product has not been introduced so my comments are somewhat limited. Also you are comparing apples with oranges. Z6 will not be inferior or become irrelevant to the system. I still use Z6 for between layer hi-lighting and pre-waxing step product. What I was stating is that the spray sealant can also be used in this manner.



Z6 = QD (quick detailer) and minor protectant re-enforcer

Spray Sealant = is both a QD-like product and a protectant re-enforcer - adds protective layer over existing Zaino polish. A carnuaba equivalent would be Pinnacle Souveran and Crystal Mist (quick spray wax).



Hope this helps. :wavey
 
RIC said:
I will reserve judgement until the products are fully released and not get get suckered into all this pre-release hype.
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No need to reserve judgement or even think about this product yet. It is not available to you and you can not be sucker into anything. The choice to purchase when available is a personal decision. You can get excited that there is a product on the horizon that may aid in achieveing that ultimate shine but that's a personal preference again.

Testing has been on going for almost a year and still would have been out of radar range if not for Steve's review on Roadfly. When I talked to Sal last week about the latest sample revision he sent me, I was still under instructions not to mention this product unless someone broke the code of silence. He did mention the release would be in a few weeks and this spray sealant was a done deal. :bounce



One reason Sal stated not to mention this new product was to avoid the ideology that this type of post would lead someone to label it pre-release hype just like you did. :nixweiss



I was instructed to correct any mis-conceptions about this product like the ones you mentioned in event that a post was generated of the Spray sealant. Funny how Zaino knew that pre-release incomplete info and rumors can / did run rampart and would sit the wrong way with some people. :rolleyes:
 
Your explanations provide no help.



BlkZ28Conv write:

"The sample tested by Steve was not even the latest revision (tweeked). This stuff rocks..."

You also write:

"This product also meets all VOC regulations and there is absolutely no carnuaba or synthetic wax components in this product."

Then you write that it is a "super" QD, a pre-wax(sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer, or a stand alone protection re-enforcer.



Now you say, "First of all this product has not been introduced so my comments are somewhat limited."



You seem to me to be making alot of comments about this product. Have you actually used it? And if so, you should be able to answer my questions without dancing around them.
 
Nothing like a Zaino discussion to get the passions inflamed!



Look ... if Z8 is going to be released in a few weeks, isn't this whole discussion a bit of a waste of time? Why not wait until the official release when everyone can try it for themselves?



Knowing Zaino, it will be a well tested, quality product worthy of consideration the next time you purchase. Until then, I just can't get overly excited about it!



Have a nice day!



PS. Zane .. check PM's
 
RIC said:
Your explanations provide no help.



BlkZ28Conv write:

"The sample tested by Steve was not even the latest revision (tweeked). This stuff rocks..."

You also write:

"This product also meets all VOC regulations and there is absolutely no carnuaba or synthetic wax components in this product."

Then you write that it is a "super" QD, a pre-wax(sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer, or a stand alone protection re-enforcer.



Now you say, "First of all this product has not been introduced so my comments are somewhat limited."



You seem to me to be making alot of comments about this product. Have you actually used it? And if so, you should be able to answer my questions without dancing around them.
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What more can I say to you. I am not privy to the ingredients but I do know what is not in this product and what environmental standards that it will meet. Though direct testing in my lab. No! From the creator of this product - Sal.

As Zane mentioned and I quite clearly explained in previous post why you must call Sal for further explaination.



Your question about my usage is obvious a means to save face. My explaination on my impression on usage results are quite clearly stated. Read what you might into them. :nixweiss



Addendum:

Other examples of Super QD's are 1Z Lackfinish, Sonus Acrylic (not the spritz), NXT booster wax and Pinnacle Crystal Mist. Sal in not inventing a new detailing genre but another component to his system. :cool:
 
My God people, lets all get along. I didn't join this site to fight over who right. I joined because the information and eveyones passion matches mine. There seems to be Zaino haters and various other product haters.



I have not seen one picture of a members car that did not look awesome unless you put a picture up to get help with its flaws.



We are all right and we are all wrong, if that makes any sence.



I myself have been detailing my cars and others since 1978.Yea I'm kind of and old fart but I still bench 500 !! If i can make an anology this is the same thing that happens with protein powders

everyone has their preferences. whose to say who's right.



When Megiuars released NXT were any of you guys privy to that info before the general public? What about Poorboys new products and so on. Was there attacks in the same way as there are on Zaino? Your attacking a great product and because its getting better people are getting nervious.



I use it because it works!



Please lets get along! I respect every ones opinion.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
personal decision. You can get excited that there is a product on the horizon that may aid in achieveing that ultimate shine but that's a personal preference again.
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This is what i don't understand about this product, If the pro version is "perfect" than what was the last version? From what i've read the zaion system couldn't be improve (except for a true swirl remover).
 
"I was instructed to correct any mis-conceptions about this product like the ones you mentioned in event that a post was generated of the Spray sealant."



Instead , you made it more confusing...and then say call Sal



I'm not attacking Zaino...in fact I have often been accused of being a Zaino Zealot many times. Just use the search function.



I am just trying to get some logical information instead of stuff like "I don't know what is in it but I do know what is not in it."



I'll put it simply...If Z8 is a QD(as put in posts here - Z6 on steroids, a "super QD"), a pre-wax(sealant) gloss enhancer, a post wax gloss enhancer, or a stand alone protection re-enforcer why should I or anyone continue to buy Z6 when Z8 sounds clearly better and more versatile than Z6?



I just want the best. If Z8 is better than Z6 I would buy that from now on and I will wait for that before placing my next order.
 
I think we are all putting BlkZ on the spot with these questions. He is nice enough to answer the questions we have with the information he has. I know we are all very curious and excited about new products. We will see it first hand very soon!

I for one am Very excited about trying Z2Pro and this new Z8. :)
 
Ric I know you love Zaino and never took your comments as bashing. Just information seeking. :xyxthumbs



Z6 is a QD product and its usage can not be expanded beyond this function. It is the best QD for the Zaino system.



The Spray Sealant is exactly as the name states. A spray sealant. Spray on / wipe off and you just added some sealant to your ride. The phrase Super QD refers to using this product on a perfectly clean surface as one would a QD on a less than clean surface to rejuveniate the appearance plus added gloss and protection. In order words I have used the Z6 on one of my stored vehicles that might have a little, very little dust and wiped down with Z6 and than followed with the Spray Sealant. To get this type of boost one was required prior to SS to add another layer of Z2/Z2-Pro/Z5. Now one has the option to pull the garage queens out do a quick Z6 and SS wipedown and you are ready to go.



I can see a scenerio where one may not need both products. If one never uses a QD for light cleaning and only manipulates the vehicles surface when it is completely clean (only after a wash) and does not routinely Z6 between coats of polish, the Z6 can probably be eliminated from your inventory.



RIC, these are different products with many cross usages.
 
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