Jeff's Werkstatt added to my arsenal

BlackSunshine said:
How do the QD's perform? I really like that there is a dedicated QD for both the A.Jett and the C.Jett.



Anyone know how much protection, if any, the Prime leaves behind?
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I love the Quick Wash, which is the general QD, its just about as cheap as #34 which is my main QD, but it is not offered in larger sizes which I have contacted jeff about and will report back to everyone once I get word back...I have used the C-Jett QD and it really adds slickness, but durability I cannot really comment on saying its on my rex which is not a daily driver. Prime does leave protection behind...but again how much I cant say...i have always followed it with AJ...



-Justin
 
4830Duece, JW is local here in SE Michigan? Oh man I dont need anymore products but if there is a "local" source Ill have to go over and pick some up! Where are they located?
 
NHBFAN said:
IMO, that's not saying much. SG demoted to wheel duty only.



I remember the WG crazy ... I fell for it, but no this time buddy. I'll wait to the whole jury reaches a verdict :lol
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Oh i remember it vividly, but actually I still use WG SG on a fair share of cars. Still can't beat the slickness and looks great under Natty's Blue. However if Jeff's product does work out for me, I'm going to stick with this and M21 as my sole 2 LSP's and say bye bye to almost everything else i have. I was really impressed when it was Shokar, and i topped it with regular Natty's.. Now i can regain it ! woo hoo ! I'm all for it.. Its like welcoming back a family heirloom that had been lost .. yes call me crazy.. but oh well..
 
LightngSVT said:
4830Duece, JW is local here in SE Michigan? Oh man I dont need anymore products but if there is a "local" source Ill have to go over and pick some up! Where are they located?
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Jeff lives over in linkin park, he runs everything out of his home...



-justin
 
So if this is the same as Carlack68, then what was all this talk about shokar and the formula couldnt be produced and whatnot.



It was coming across ,to me ,that the shokar was a unique product, with a custom formula.



It now seems that they are simply importing carlack and shokar was not unique or special at all, and neither is this stuff.
 
JBM said:
So if this is the same as Carlack68, then what was all this talk about shokar and the formula couldnt be produced and whatnot.



It was coming across ,to me ,that the shokar was a unique product, with a custom formula.



It now seems that they are simply importing carlack and shokar was not unique or special at all, and neither is this stuff.
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Shokar was the beta version of the new nanotechnology Carlack 68. I did not know this until the Werkstatt line became available.



If you have not used any of the new Carlack 68 aka Werkstatt products, then I don't understand your comment about uniqueness. It is unique in the fact that is a nano acrylic version, which neither Klasse nor the original Carlack are. To me, it is a very unique product. It really has a look all its own.
 
JBM said:
So if this is the same as Carlack68, then what was all this talk about shokar and the formula couldnt be produced and whatnot.



It was coming across ,to me ,that the shokar was a unique product, with a custom formula.



It now seems that they are simply importing carlack and shokar was not unique or special at all, and neither is this stuff.
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It may not be exactly the same as Carlack 68, but JW doesn't try to hide the fact he is in partnership with them. see this link



I don't see the association with Carlack as being any reason to dismiss the JW products since Carlack has been around since 1958. :nixweiss
 
I view JW's association with Carlack as a good thing :up because without it it would have been very difficult to try to obtain any of the Carlack-like products here in the US.
 
What's the difference between the Prime and A.Jett with their "nanotechnology" than the Klasse Twins? I was under the impression nano in the detailing sense was used to indicate filling properties, as in smaller (forgive my ignorance here) particles? in the formula designed to fill smaller scratches better.



Wonder what the terminology means in the case of JW products?
 
BlackSunshine said:
What's the difference between the Prime and A.Jett with their "nanotechnology" than the Klasse Twins? I was under the impression nano in the detailing sense was used to indicate filling properties, as in smaller (forgive my ignorance here) particles? in the formula designed to fill smaller scratches better.



Wonder what the terminology means in the case of JW products?
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Chemically, I have no idea. Best to contact Jeff or Carlack. Just from personal use, AJ is deeper and wetter looking than SG, IMO and a bit easier to use.
 
alright I talked to good ol' jeff today and he said that it has always been the idea to introduce larger (upto 1 gal) sizes of prime and all the others...He is just waiting for it to be more cost effective/ more popular, once it is, the new larger sizes will be soon to follow...



-Justin
 
I got my Carnauba Jett and Prime today. The Prime appears to be very close to the beta version I tested (Shokar) so I am expecting similar results.



I already tried CJ on my own car. Did a quick Optimum QEW wash, then finished with CJ. It definitely darkens the paint and slightly mutes the reflections, at least compared to how my looked with CMW, OCW x 2 on it. Seems to spread pretty easily, the sprayer nozzle would be better if the product came out in a bit finer mist. Goes on like OCW, comes off like a typical carnauba, as in it does haze and takes a little more ooomph to remove than OCW. Decent slickness too.



I took my car through a tunnel wash the other day (didn't feel like washing it two days in a row after mud rain two days in a row) and they left some marring in my paint that I will have to polish out now. Ugh. Anyway, it gives me an opportunity to strip my car down, probably polish with Optimum then go with Prime and CJ on my own car. The problem is getting 3 hours of time for my own car. ;)
 
BlackSunshine said:
How do the QD's perform? I really like that there is a dedicated QD for both the A.Jett and the C.Jett.



Anyone know how much protection, if any, the Prime leaves behind?
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QD's are probably my favorite detailing product. I keep Zaino Z8, Menzerna AS, 4* UGE, and now JW Acrylic Glos on the shelf.



Acrylic Glos is like a lite version of Acrylic Jett, with some mild cleaning ability. Looks and slickness are similar. Great companion for SG or AJ. While Menzerna AS is also acrylic, it tends to haze up occassionally for mysterious reasons on black. Acrylic Glos seems easier to use, though it is not as slick as Menzerna AS.
 
Scottwax said:
Shokar was the beta version of the new nanotechnology Carlack 68. I did not know this until the Werkstatt line became available.



If you have not used any of the new Carlack 68 aka Werkstatt products, then I don't understand your comment about uniqueness. It is unique in the fact that is a nano acrylic version, which neither Klasse nor the original Carlack are. To me, it is a very unique product. It really has a look all its own.
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When Shokar was being discussed it was said that it was going to rival Zaino and Klasse.



It was implied that Shokar was formulated independantly by Eshine. It didnt become a reality because of the amount need to purchase to get a lower price per gallon or by volume or something.



This is alot different than simply being a distributor for Carlack with their formula and a re-label.



I have no problems with making a great product more available, name it something else i dont care. Its all the smoke and mirrors though.



Wouldnt it be more accurate to say "hey guys, Carlack has a new formula and has really hit the mark with it, this stuff is a supurb product, and we will be reselling it under the xxxx name." ???



Or maybe i just have my wires crossed or something.. :think:
 
JBM said:
It was implied that Shokar was formulated independantly by Eshine. It didnt become a reality because of the amount need to purchase to get a lower price per gallon or by volume or something.



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We were working with Carlack and they were sending us different samples. These samples were the not yet released Nano Carlack. We scrapped the project due to not only high shipping costs from Germany but the volume required to make it feasible per shipment. Besides the costs, the stress of marketing, legal fees, insurance etc simply blew our gasket and we threw in the towel. We found we are perfectly happy just retailing. If we ever do import Carlack into Canada it will be under the Carlack name and bottling, much cheaper and easier that way! Live and learn I guess.



P.S. I think every product introduced SHOULD try to rival Klasse and Zaino. Aim to beat/match the best! You sure wouldn't want to have a goal of rivaling Nu-Finish! LOL
 
JBM said:
When Shokar was being discussed it was said that it was going to rival Zaino and Klasse.
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IMO, it is better than both in terms of appearance. I can't claim it definitely beats either in durability, but a good 4 months of beading using proper washing techniques is very achievable. I used the Shokar version in early January on a Honda Accord and redid it with the Werkstatt version in August. When I washed it (and I did spray it with a hose to test beading), it was still beading. What I don't know is exactly how the car was cared for during those 8 months or whether or not it was waxed again. It belongs to a customer's son who is in college and when I rewaxed the car he wasn't around for me to ask. I will most likely see it again in January. I am very interested in seeing how the Werkstatt version holds up and I am hoping the kid is there so I can find out how he cares for the car.



It was implied that Shokar was formulated independantly by Eshine.
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All I knew was that eShine was working with someone else on the product. I had no idea to what extent eShine was involved in the process. What I did know was it was a product with some new chemistry.



Its all the smoke and mirrors though.
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Not sure I follow you here. :think:



Wouldnt it be more accurate to say "hey guys, Carlack has a new formula and has really hit the mark with it, this stuff is a supurb product, and we will be reselling it under the xxxx name." ???
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I guess it would depend on what type of agreement Carlack and eShine had at the time. Maybe Chris was asked not to reveal who was actually making the product.



Jeff at Werkstatt is very upfront about being the US distributor for Carlack. As soon as I knew about the connection, I was very upfront about it on the board. All I did was test the product and report what I knew at the time.





Or maybe i just have my wires crossed or something.. :think:
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:nixweiss I don't think there is any 'there' there. No big conspiracy to uncover.
 
I dont really see why there is a lot of concern about carlack being sold under a different name... I just dont see it as a big deal, what Jeff is now doing though is creating his own products on top of the "carlack" products he already sells... To tell you the truth I think its damn smart, once his name is out there, people will be more willing to try new products of his there for more products sold...



-Justin
 
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