I've give up on my Honda paint!!!

Bill D said:
Morbid,

You and I both have black Audis. Definitely think about the non marring washing technique via foam gun
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Maybe when I move to a bigger place this summer. Right now my townhouse has no water spigot's outside but I did rent a garage and rigged up a Kracher PW to two 25 gallon water tanks using a transfer pump.



I can hose down, wash and rinse w/one of those tanks but using a garden hose I think I'll run out of water.
 
montoya said:
I have to tend to disagree. With the proper prep, proper MF towel care, proper wash regiment and proper lsp, black hondas are a cinch..



i've been working on a 2002 s2000 which has 'never' seen a swirl
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Perhaps Honda's paint process is a bit different in Canada or perhaps you are detailer of the year, but a cinch is stretching it IMO. :nixweiss



IMO, honda paint in general is VERY soft, look at it wrong and it is marred. Black Honda is paint is just plain unbelievable.



We should also mention that marring to some, is not marring to others. It depends on how close you look and what your definition of acceptable marring is. Just a thought.



To the OP, good luck, but I would prep the heck out of it, use a glaze + a heavy wax and focus on wash technique. After that, trade it in!!!:D
 
What glazes do you recommend? I was under the impression that #16 is a heavy wax. Thanks again for the help guys.
 
I would use Meguiars #3,5,7, or 81. That is just what I am use to. You could maybe try NXT topped with #16 after your prep.
 
Being a dark color, Honda owner, I will definately go with ebpcivicsi and SpoiledMan. Having all three of us own them and all three of us are very regular on the boards...All three of us still have marring.



Yeah, its in the direction of airflow and only between 11am-3pm with direct overhead sun with no clouds, but it's still there. It sucks, but it's life.



I just keep up with a carnauba every week or so which really tones down the marring. To most, my car looks perfect and they mention it, but being an Autopian, I find every minor defect.



My next car will not be dark unless it's an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes.
 
kepani said:
1. one the of the BEST KEPT SECRETS when detailing a car. "wash", "apply", and "remove" in the DIRECTION of airflow. NEVER rub your car with a circular motion EVER!
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Really, direction of airflow only. So you wash from front to back, never going across the hood? What about in applying wax? and then there is the pc that goes random at the head yet you are supposed to cover the area with back and forth and then diagonal. Hey I'm not here BUSTING CHOPS, I JUST WANT TO LEARN. Tell us about your experiences, if this is something I should do, I'm ready.
 
pdsterns:



I'll try and explain it. As I'm sure you know marring (i.e scratches and swirls) are not paint defects (like orange peel or molting).



The second is cause by actually painting the car and the first comes from something abrasive being dragged/rubbed accross the surface of the paint after it's applied/cured.



Now then, marring can and is more visible depending on it's depth because you've taken what was a flat surface and disturbed it (scratches or swirls) the edges of which will catch the reflective light.



Swirls and thier cousin holograms are round or oval by nature. So by not rubbing anything on the paint surface in that pattern you avoid getting them.



Scratches are, well scratches and can come from a various sources, but by rubbing in circles you can produce deep swirls that will stand out even more and require more effort to remove.



A PC polisher does not spin in circles but in a Random Orbit which is far less likely (I won't say impossible) to produce swirls or holograms as opposed to a high speed polisher which only moves in circles and it's rather easy to produce such defects if your not careful.



Look at it this way, if you were to sand two blocks of wood ,one with the grain and the other against the grain, which sanding pattern would stand out more?



Sorry for the long response but I hope this helps.
 
Thanks for the long answer and I am with you 100% but do you actually do everthing when working on your paint "front to back" ie "hood to trunk"? I guess I can change my wash pattern, I'm probably pretty good on the hood and roof but on the sides I go both ways. Drying, I blow off 90% and wipe 10% so that is easy. Waxing and wax removal is a different story, I always go round and round. I'll give it a try.
 
pdsterns:



When we say front to back we don't mean which panels are done first, we're talking about the direction you move the mitt, cloth, or a hand pad.



I do stick to the that pattern when washing/drying or applying/removing sealant or wax.



I need to get me a leaf blower to cut down on wiping down the panels after washing.
 
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