Is Zaino winning?

NozeBleedSpeed

NozeBleedSpeed

Right Wing Conservative
I remember a time when just the name Zaino was a flame war waiting to happen. Anyone that used the Zaino line seemed to be "born agains" that tried enthusiastically to convert the rest of us to the religion. The mass majority of members on Autopia retaliated against the preachings of these "Zaino Zealots".



I was a late bloomer but resistance was eventually futile. The Autopia excommunicated member Bretfraz sent me a package of little homemade sample bottles, "just to test". They sat on the back of a shelf for some time, until I decided to get it over with and give the stuff a try.

Booyah! I was enlightened with a single layer of Z2, like a Rastafarian reaching Shiloh. I starting dumping my boutique waxes like I was congress giving away tax money. Now, I was one of "them". That wasnt the end of it though. Sal kept improving on products that were already at the top of the game. There was nothing else even close to it. I celebrated in silence at each new release.



I always stayed clear of any Zaino threads because of the anti-Z gangs at Autopia, but recent threads of Z reviews shows more and more are actually trying it. Funny thing is that everyone that does, seems to be completely surprised that they love Z. I see a huge increase of "I tried Z and its amazing!", with much less retaliation. Even those that hated the name Zaino without even trying it, must be wondering.



Is Zaino winning Autopia over?
 
Zaino just might have been, quite simply, a little before it's time, and it took a while for people to get past the Meguiar's phase which hit the world by storm. Not only do I see more people openly talking about Zaino, but they are also talking about other products too.....other than just Meguiar's.



Regardless, I don't really think it even has all that much to do with the product, but more to do with the community. Autopia as a whole is growing daily, and as we grow we are hearing from new voices every day too, most of which haven't even heard of Zaino, Poorboy's, Klasse, Pinnacle, etc.



So to answer your question, is Zaino winning Autopia over? I don't really think so. I'd actually be more willing to say that diversity is winning Autopia over.



I'm just glad to see that we can openly discuss pretty much any product/process available with an open mind. Bravo Autopia!



Now, that being said, and after being a member of Autopia for over two years, I have still yet to try any kind of Zaino product. :o
 
:nixweiss



I've tried Zaino, it is easy to use, very durable and I like it. I like a few other products more though.
 
So to answer your question, is Zaino winning Autopia over? I don't really think so, but would be more willing to say that diversity is winning Autopia over.



I'm just glad to see that we can openly discuss pretty much any product/process available with an open mind. Bravo Autopia!



Well said :xyxthumbs :xyxthumbs
 
How can high end wax/sealant lovers ( like me! ) not have any Zaino in their arsenal? I mean really????? Zaino is a terrific product line, in my opinion! Besides......It fits nicely in my big, giant grey rubbermaid tote stuffed full of..........Klasse, Sonus,Upp,WG,1Z,ClearKote,P21S,Pinnacle,Meguiar's,Autoglym & poorboys products. ( Yes.....that's right......I can fit the entire product lines of the previously mentioned products in the big, gray "Treasure Chest"! The MF's have their own tote to live in. lol ) I love all the products I have for different reasons. It's kinda like having kid's. You love them all, right?

Is Zaino winning Autopia over? My guess is that it's only winning over the "Autopians" who've actually used it! Zaino's kinda like crack..........One "hit" and you're hooked! ( I say this with all due respect to Sal & his Zaino Team. I just happen to have an odd sense of humor! ) Now I know what some of you are thinking......." My Gosh.........Serwaxalot's a crack head!" NO I'M NOT!! I'm drug free, thank you! I'm sure there are better analogies, but just none that are as funny! For the record, I've got 3 coats of Z5 & 3 coats of Z2 Pro topped with Z8 on my truck at the moment. It looks dazzling! Now as to what products have won me over? Just look in my "Treasure Chest"!!
 
I probably should shut up, but, what the heck, this is America...LOL ! It is amusing to read about flame wars and such over car polishes. Much less am I suprised than amazed to read about negative threads over a product like Zaino... There are many fine products offered on the web these days. Some are outrageous in the claims made for them. From the first, I found Zaino to be relatively modest in the claims made by that company. Lately, with the addition of Z8, I feel that the "dog" isnt waggling its tail at all !



In the short time I have used Zaino products, that particular product line has increased it's effectiveness exponentially. There are products which deserve to be discussed negatively, among them are products which promise 5 year shines... yet I have seen disgusting "infomercial type" reviews on them with no flames directed at the author/s/ I have detected an atmosphere of choosing sides here and frankly, that IMHO, have no place in a general discussion based on subjective interpretations. All the Characteristics of what a great detail consists of, at the basic level, are personal preference in the first place.



WHO is winning? AUTOPIA is winning. We need honest non personal discussions or whats the point of coming here in the first place? Last week I saw a thread which should have died a lot faster death than it finally did. My point is, why do you think any product "wins" or "loses" ? That Zaino can be discussed without flaming is a credit to the members, the moderators, But Hugely, The quality of the products being offered by Zaino. In that instance, any visitor/member who just wants to find new and effective products HAS WON ! ! ! ... we all have these dreams of the ultimate look. All product deserve an airing without undue discord. I hope this thread does not become some display of idiocy as others have as of late.
 
I was a dyed in the wool Anti-Zaino Zealot for many, many years. Not because I disliked the product...as most of the vehicles I saw with Zaino applied after proper prep looked quite good...but rather...quite bluntly...BECAUSE of the Zaino Zealot.



No other detail product line produces such arrogant and flat out obnoxious users. I'm not talking about your average Autopian Zaino user...but rather the driveway cowboy who puts 85 layers of Zaino on top of his swirled and scratched paint then proceeds to tell me that any product I use is inferior. It doesn't matter if my paint glows like the sun or is as deep as the mid-Atlantic trench...if it's not Zaino...well...then...I'm just misguided and might as well be rubbing sandpaper (and not the automotive kind mind you) on my paint. It is this type of Zaino Zealot that drove folks like me away from the Zaino line. I didn't care how damn good the product was...I refused to try it.



Unfortunately I would guesstimate that more than half the people that use Zaino fit this bill. My best assumption as to why this happens is because Zaino is the first high end / boutique detail line that your average Joe tries. Compared to the bottle of Meguiar's A-16 cleaner wax he has been using it's a "no contest". From that product comparison another ignoramus Zaino Zealot is born. A sad state of affairs indeed.



Enter your Autopian Zaino user and we have a new animal. These folks (a few that come to my immediate mind are ZaneO and blackz28) are much more aware that it is the prep they apply to their vehicle that makes all the difference in the world. Any diehard Autopian Zaino user still loves their Z but I bet you NOT ONE of them has ever applied a drop of Zaino to unprepped paint. It was because of folks like these (and the fact I was losing business because of Zaino detail requests I could not fill) that got me to take the Z plunge. I went out and ordered some Z stuffs...prepped my truck...and did this.... http://autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=47397&highlight=Ford+Lightning



I now use Zaino exclusively on my work vehicle and have completed at least a half dozen details using the Z line since then. It is bar none the most durable product I have ever used. The look it provides (in my opinion) is nice...not the end all be all...but very nice.



Am I a Zaino Zealot...hell no. Would I recommend Zaino to someone in which durability was the key factor in their detail...hell yes. Zaino has become yet another weapon in my detail arsenal. The key for me is it's not the only weapon.



I think the Autopian Zaino users are winning some of us over (they won me over) while the Zaino Zealot will continue to drive most away.



Sorry for the rant...did it answer your question?? ;)
 
As someone who always wants the best, when I heard all the praise Zaino products were getting, naturally I had to order some. I used it until it was gone and felt it did an excellent job. But would I say it put the most dazzling, most durable finish on my car? NO! While I felt the gloss was as good as what I had used previously, I felt Blackfire held up much better. In fact, of all the high-end waxes I've used I think Zaino was the least durable. I come to find that working with various cleaners, polishers, and waxes will yield the best results for your particular car's paint and color. Right now I'm using an Eagle One nanowax/cleaner followed by Meguires carnuba wax. I'm pleased with the sheen and the durability. I've got Klasse coming in a few days along with a Porter Cable buffer. I'll let you know if my mind once again changes. But to get back to the point of the thread, Zaino is good not great.
 
Zaino is winning many people over because they are constantly improving, and oh yeah they make a decent product. With ZFX, Pro, Z8, and soon to come cleaner, they are keeping up with detailers needs. foto it sounds like you were using the old stuff yes? The new stuff is much improved.

As for the least durable comment? :nono
 
What's so amazing about this site is the majority of the "Autopians" who post have so much passion for detailing and the detailing products they use.
 
I'm with Mike. I used it, I like it, I'd recommend it. I personally prefer something else, but it's an excellent product.



I think that one thing you have to realize: you will never see a guy wash his car with Tide, let it sit in the sun, dry it with a tshirt, and then open a bottle of Z1 and Z2... but you will see that with NXT. Somewhere out there someone has done that, and it's probably happened a lot. A person who has discovered Z has also discovered the Autopian way, but independent of Autopia; part of using Z is stressing proper prep.



The "zealots" are used to being alone in their passion. Autopians are used to looking past the product. It's a situation ripe for conflict where there shouldn't be any. In reality, these are people who are saying the same thing but coming from different directions.



I say,



Peace.





Tom
 
Mosca said:
I think that one thing you have to realize: you will never see a guy wash his car with Tide, let it sit in the sun, dry it with a tshirt, and then open a bottle of Z1 and Z2... but you will see that with NXT.

Tom
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Used to be ME doing stuff like that ! (and it wasnt too long ago either) In all honesty, its evolutionary. Trying to get the look you want requires striving to get the knowledge of HOW to accomplish this feat... Thats why I wonder why people disrupt that learning process with flames. I just read honest disagreement concerning Zaino, and I saw little poking. This is what I love about Autopia. (BTW, BF didnt do a thing for me, I wonder what I did wrong?)
 
I haven't been here long but I've been impressed with how well Zaino has been accepted here! I can see the point about the "Zaino Zealot." That attitude would turn me off too. Here it seems people are very open minded about different products and techniques and are willing to try different things. I find it refreshing, interesting and informative.



Based on all the good things I've heard about NXT I've decided to use some on the family car. There's a whole bunch of products that have been mentioned here that I've never heard of and plan on at least trying, if not switching to! I love Zaino but I would never think that it is the "Be All and End All". It's good to be open minded. I think you sell yourself short when you rule out anything new and different because of an overzealous, misguided dedication to one product.



Heck, if I hadn't been open to suggestion I'd still be using Meg's cleaner wax. :D
 
Jinba ittai said:
I haven't been here long but I've been impressed with how Here it seems people are very open minded about different products and techniques and are willing to try different things. I find it refreshing, interesting and informative.

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That has been and will be the very reason why I keep coming back to Autopia.



Well said my man...well said indeed. :up
 
Like a lot of people, I tried many products before getting to Z. Honestly, I wish I had tried Z sooner. I'm very happy with it. I don't know if Z is winning autopia, but it sure has gotten a lot more attention lately.
 
Actually, I remember when people could discuss Zaino and not be flamed. But it was because it wasn't glorified as anything more than paint protection: not a wonder product like some of these threads would lead you to believe. This isn't to downgrade this thread OR Zaino, this is to make this thread realistic, something that seems to be lacking all over this board right now.



"I put Zaino on my car" was taboo. Well, what did you do before Zaino? Did you really just put Zaino on paint only washed with Dawn? I hope not... nope that doesn't happen anymore. The site is becoming more product choice than preparation choice.



The old Autopia was a lot more objective, and it was seldom that somebody said "THIS PRODUCT IS THE BEST" without saying "BUT...a, b, and c points could be improved." I have a hard time believing that Zaino or any other product is perfect, and it is sad to see that objective posting is giving way to fear of being called a "basher." Or to stay out of a thread because somebody will get their toes stepped on.



So now we are experiencing a "Zaino v. others" honeymoon. That's nice, but the dark gray part of this cloud is that the fear established by the whining of some members and the immediate "action" of the people in charge makes for an enviroment that fosters subjective reviewing of all products. I can get that on a company's website.



So I'll say this and open myself up to some flaming: product discussion on this site has grown, for the most part, into a lame-duck. And Zaino "acceptance" isn't the cause, but more of a product of some members being careless how they express product excitement.



There are some good reviews, but they are growing far and further apart. You can't censor the people that ask good questions and expect the quality of information gained to be as good as it once was. It doesn't work that way. This is a long rant, and I'm sorry to put it all into a Zaino thread since it is not only Zaino threads, but it's happening...
 
Seems to me that what is changing is Autopia... When I first joined Autopia.. it seemed as if any Zaino user that posted a positve thread was instantly attacked and called a Zealot!



Other members just loved to start threads designed to bait Zaino users (dawn, ZFX, shipping costs, plastic looking etc.) Some members who called BS on these threads and on misleading reviews of other products, left or were banned from Autopia, others just went quiet and stopped posting. A few stuck by their guns and called it as they saw it, generally posting positive reviews on Zaino products.



Then we come to today, where any Autopian member can discuss any product openly without being attacked or called names. This is the Autopia I like, and it is one of the things that makes this forum different from many other detailing forums where one or two brands is all that is discussed and any deviation from this "party line" brings on pressure from mods and members alike to comform to the forum standard.



Long live Autopia!
 
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