Is this a good example of hazing?

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Hazing?



I was browsing the gallery pics and got this from JGV's gallery, (I hope you don't mind!!)



I saw 2 black cars on the road today that looked really bad like this. Can my PC cause this? I haven't used the pc on my new black paint yet and I realllllly don't want it to look like that when I do.

Can someone tell me what exactly causes this?

Can just putting a wax or sealant on cause this? :( If so I'm going to think twice about the pc.



Thanks! :)

Ashley
 
That is a GREAT example of holograms caused the improper use of a rotary.



Your PC can't do that, it takes heat/speed to do that.
 
that would be a shot of improper use of a rotary buffer...putting swirls into the finish. hazing is more like a uniform dulling of the paints reflection. you can cause hazing with the pc with too aggressive of a product, but you won't be able to cause buffer marks like the ones in the picture.

Hope this helps.



-Chad.
 
No this is not hazing and it would be near impossible to create that with your PC. They are buffer marks or "holograms". This is the work of an inexperienced person with a rotary.



You can however, remove them with your PC.
 
Are they in the wax or the clearcoat itself?





Oh, and does anyone have a picture of what hazing looks like? Because the whole time, I thought it was whats in that picture..lol!

I know what spiderwebs look like, are they much different than swirls? :(



Jeez, I feel retarded asking these questions. I just assumed I knew what all of it was.



Thanks!:)
 
the only problem you would cause with your PC is if the car or the pads have some dirt. This will cause some swirls/holograms but not like those on the pics. I found out the hard way.

Other than that, Ive used the PC on my old black car and and it was foolproof, unless you droped the PC on the car or let the backing plate hit the paint.

If hazing occurrs, follow with a finer polish (menzerna FP or #9 for example)
 
I have created a bit of hazing on my black B5.5 with a PC but it was with a Yellow pad and DACP and I didn't let the DACP break down enough. It didn't look like that with the streaks but if you look in that picture between the streaks there looks like marks in the paint like little mars. Thats more what I has. It was caused by the courseness of the yellow pad working with the DACP. The mars looked like minisquel little hooks in the paint.



The PC with a lighter less agressive polish lifted them easily. I have also lifted them using a white pad and DACP.



It would take something like at least DACP and a yellow pad and a not letting it break down to haze.



Don't be scared of the PC .. its the best thing I have ever bought for the black car. If your nervous start with a mild polish like Menzerna FP and a white pad .. use something a little more agressive if you get mars or swirls from washing and you want to remove them. .. Be patient.
 
When I first used my PC I hazed my doors with 1Z PP and a Meguiars polishing pad.And it wasn't that hard to do.The stuff stay's wet forever so it's hard to tell when it's breaking down.I had these dull streaks that wouldn't come out with a isa/water wipe down so I new that it was the clear coat and you could only notice it when the sun was low late in the afternoon.A week later I finially went over it with some #80 and it cleared up.I don't think you can do any permenant damage with the PC but on black you can sure make things worse if your not carefull.
 
04BlackAV said:
When I first used my PC I hazed my doors with 1Z PP and a Meguiars polishing pad.And it wasn't that hard to do.The stuff stay's wet forever so it's hard to tell when it's breaking down.I..I finially went over it with some #80 and it cleared up.I don't think you can do any permenant damage with the PC but on black you can sure make things worse if your not carefull.
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Interesting about the PP. I usually have to watch that I don't break it down *too fast*. Maybe you just needed to speed things up and/or use less PP. Glad to hear you solved it with the #80, but, well, I find it interesting since I don't think #80 is all *that* much milder than the PP. It *does* break down a lot faster, though.



ANB- Heh heh, no need to feel dumb, it takes a while to get up to speed on this stuff, especially all the terms we use.



Most people consider "swirls" to be the the same as "spiderwebs", sorta circular scratches you get from washing/drying/etc. Pros use the term in a more restrictive fashion, referring to stuff like what you posted- sorta-minor damage caused by a rotary polisher. This damage is in the paint, BTW, not just the wax.



Other people use "spiderwebbing" in its old-school meaning, to refer to actual cracks in the paint (not as common these days as it used to be).



Hazing is the fine "scratches" you put in the paint by using harsh products. If you start with a scratch that you want to remove (a BAD crevice carved in the paint), you'll use a harsh polish to "sand" it out (bringing the surrounding paint down to the level of the bottom of the crevice). This harsh polish will leave small scratches of its own, which then need to be removed with a finer polish. These "small scratches" are "hazing". Think of it like using progressively finer grades of sandpaper to smooth a piece of wood.



This hair-splitting is why some of use just use "marring" as a catch-all term to describe "below-the-surface imperfections" like "swirls", scratches, hazing, acid rain etching, etc.
 
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