Is there a better Souveran?

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akimel

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Souveran, I think, provides a special look on my black car. I think I have seen the difference. I'm not sure how to describe the difference, but it gives a warm dark glow ... I think.



Anyway, Dark Horse recently posted a pic of his hood over at AG comparing Souveran and Supernatural. I was shocked by the difference. Souveran really does darken the paint, and this must be related to the depth and glow that I think I see.



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This got me thinking. Are there other waxes out there that give the signature Souveran look or something close to it? They could be more expensive or less expensive. The following names come to mind (most of which I have not yet tried): SV Concorso, Zymol Glasur, Trade Secret, Lusso Oro. Do any of these, or others, provide that dark, warm glow for which Souveran is famous?
 
akimel- If you look at how the Mustang pic is exposed (compare the two hood-pins and, OTOH, the sorta-vertical front edge of the hood) you might rethink that diff a *little* bit :think:



But yeah, Souveran does have a signature look. And I for one did not find Trade Secret to duplicate it to my satisfaction.



Ever try cheap ol' Meguiar's #26? It does the "rich, dark" look pretty well (but it's not Souveran). Can't help with any of those fancy waxes :nixweiss
 
Give Lusso Oro a try, I find that it has a very similar look to PS. I also think SV Concorso has a similar if not better look and has much better durability, too bad they raised the price so much.
 
Accumulator said:
akimel- If you look at how the Mustang pic is exposed (compare the two hood-pins and, OTOH, the sorta-vertical front edge of the hood) you might rethink that diff a *little* bit :think:
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Yeah, more then a little. Both halves of that hood are at different angles to the light source and are reflecting different images.
 
Funny, I literally just received my very first jar of Souveran (thanks to the great Black Friday price at AG) a few hours ago.



I still have some Trade Secret here too. Will try both eventually in order to compare on my red HHR.
 
Accumulator said:
akimel- If you look at how the Mustang pic is exposed (compare the two hood-pins and, OTOH, the sorta-vertical front edge of the hood) you might rethink that diff a *little* bit :think:



But yeah, Souveran does have a signature look. And I for one did not find Trade Secret to duplicate it to my satisfaction.



Ever try cheap ol' Meguiar's #26? It does the "rich, dark" look pretty well (but it's not Souveran). Can't help with any of those fancy waxes :nixweiss
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The way the pic was taken really changes things up. Megs #26 is similar, and another great choice is Optimum Car Wax. Both #26 and OCW will not look as deep BUT they also both attract a LOT less dust than souveran.
 
I have Vintage on my shelf. It stands up to the best waxes out there as far as looks. But right now I'm hooked on HD Proxy. A clean, deep, wet look. Can be found here.

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MDRX8 said:
I have Vintage on my shelf. It stands up to the best waxes out there as far as looks. But right now I'm hooked on HD Proxy. A clean, deep, wet look. Can be found here.

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AND.... it attracts dust every bit as well as Souveran too! LOL.
 
Rob Tomlin said:
I still have some Trade Secret here too. Will try both eventually in order to compare on my red HHR.
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I'll be interested to hear how the two compare on your red HHR....wonder if your experience with that will mirror (or differ from) my experience with the two on my sorta-silver Jag :think:
 
MDRX8 said:
I have Vintage on my shelf. It stands up to the best waxes out there as far as looks.
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Thanks to a sample that was given me, I have tried Vintage once on my black S2K. I loved the look! But it lies forever beyond the reach of my wallet. I don't expect I'll ever find a crystal of Vintage sitting under the Christmas tree on Sunday morning. Not even Santa can afford the stuff. :Geezx



My recollection is that Vintage bestows a warmth and glow that rivals Souveran--plus it's significantly more durable, both in its protective properties and its look. Perhaps there are those out there who have tried both waxes and can put into words the similarities and differences.



In any case, I am but a poor mortal who cannot afford the waxes of the gods.
 
I've got Souveran and Fuzion and 99 times out of 100, I reach for Carnauba Moose instead. Better darkening effect and durability.
 
akimel said:
Thanks to a sample that was given me, I have tried Vintage once on my black S2K. I loved the look! But it lies forever beyond the reach of my wallet. I don't expect I'll ever find a crystal of Vintage sitting under the Christmas tree on Sunday morning. Not even Santa can afford the stuff. :Geezx



My recollection is that Vintage bestows a warmth and glow that rivals Souveran--plus it's significantly more durable, both in its protective properties and its look. Perhaps there are those out there who have tried both waxes and can put into words the similarities and differences.



In any case, I am but a poor mortal who cannot afford the waxes of the gods.
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Why don't you give HD Poxy a try. It is not a wallet buster. It gives the look of a nuba. Easy on easy off.
 
Accumulator said:
akimel- If you look at how the Mustang pic is exposed (compare the two hood-pins and, OTOH, the sorta-vertical front edge of the hood) you might rethink that diff a *little* bit :think:
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A little bit yes, but not a lot. You can see a very distinct line down the middle of the hood where Dark Horse had placed the tape on the hood. The admittedly slight difference in the way the light source is hitting each side simply will not produce such a distinct line like that by itself. I think the hood scoop is a bit flatter than the hood, and it also clearly shows the darkening effect, but not to the same extreme as the hood.
 
You have to also remember that line in the center is a natural body line that peaks up so depending upon the angle of the light source you could easily change the contrasts between the two.



Here is a random picture I pull off of google that easily depicts this.

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The hood in the original post is from an 05' to 09' style Mustang and the 2nd pic is from a 2010+ style. The hood in the first pic does indeed have a fairly distinct body line down the middle of the hood. It carries over onto the scoop to a lesser extent. The pics below are of my 09' Mustang, which has the same oem non-functional hood scoop. The whole hood had been treated the same prior to the pics.



Now I have no idea if the color difference is due to the wax used or the angle of the light on the two halves of the hood. Still the difference in the 2 hood pins would give reason to think the difference in the angle of the light is part of the reason.



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Thanks for posting those pics Joe!



With that much of a body line down the middle of the hood, I do think the angle of the light source could make quite a difference in that original shot, more so that I may have originally thought.
 
Heh heh...all this talk about subtle diffs in appearance, let alone basing decisions on internet pix, always brings out my inner cynic. Some people see stuff/think they see stuff/refuse to see stuff differently from other people. I've done so much (friendly) :argue over how a vehicle looks *in person* that I've simply decided it's like trying to tell somebody about subtle diffs in food/wine/whatever...some people get it/agree/disagree and other people don't.



And note that cynical or not, *I* am highly opinionated about how certain LSPs look on my vehicles :D
 
Accumulator said:
Heh heh...all this talk about subtle diffs in appearance, let alone basing decisions on internet pix, always brings out my inner cynic.
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I've been guilty of claiming to be able to see stuff in pix, but honestly sometimes even when doing 1/2 a car with one product and 1/2 with another, its hard to tell. Unless you are comparing completely different products like a carnauba to something like KSG, its almost impossible to tell on a single panel. You really need the contours and body lines to see differences and even more so, different lighting.
 
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