Is it worth the switch DG to Optimum products

I'm not really looking to abandon 1 for the other , just wanted some opinions on what kind of visual differences there would be . I like the DG stuff , but before I drop a wad on Optimum I wanted to get feedback on the products I was wondering about. I hate to spend the money just to put more stuff in my warehouse :) if that makes sense.



Also read a few times that the new OCW was not producing a noticeable difference from the old formula. I guess that is all subjective to the persons eye too.



By durability I look at it as more of a beading , water blowing off for a while while drive if that makes any sense. Durability seems way overrated here since we are all so obsessed that we try something different half the time before that other stuff has a chance to cure ......lol.
 
Fallguy said:
...Also read a few times that the new OCW was not producing a noticeable difference from the old formula. I guess that is all subjective to the persons eye too...
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To add to this, I'd say that the OCW II is far superior to the old OCW. It looks noticeably wetter, slightly darker and WAY slicker.
 
I can't comment on a comparison between DG and Optimum, but I am in the process of giving the Optimum products a try in place of Zaino. My finish was in good shape when my OCW (new formula) arrived last month as my pre winter detail of ZAIO, 2-Z2 and 2- ZCS was still holding up. I counldn't resist trying out the OCW and was astounded by the deepness, wetness and slickness of the shine. Never seen this from any Z product--even Z8. It's been a month and the shine and slickness are holding up well with no additional applications or OID.
 
EisenHulk said:
Hey, Rob. Have you tried the OptiSeal on your wheels yet or has it been paint only? Just curious as to what you think about it. I have a couple of bottles I've yet to use.
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Yes, I do have OS on my wheels, and it certainly seems to help make cleaning them easier. :up
 
ricka said:
I'm guessing the durability issue is for clients that maybe get their car detailed every 6 months or so.
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Well if people are using AW or OCW as there only means of protection in that scenario than I say shame on them. Both products are IMO booster products and should not be used as a sole protection product.
 
Gemini13 said:
Well if people are using AW or OCW as there only means of protection in that scenario than I say shame on them. Both products are IMO booster products and should not be used as a sole protection product.
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I dont have any experience with AW, but I've used OCW as an LSP plenty of times. It'll hold up for a good month or two on it's own...I've even had it last up to about 3 months before. It's a viable LSP IMO. YMMV.
 
I havent used my OS yet, so cant compare to the DG sealants. I used to use AW after every wash, and recently switched to using OCW. I think that it gives better results than AW in regard to looks, feel, and dirt resistance.
 
Gemini13 said:
Well if people are using AW or OCW as there only means of protection in that scenario than I say shame on them. Both products are IMO booster products and should not be used as a sole protection product.
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Now here's an interesting point to ponder. There's a presumption that a more difficult to apply paste product must be better than a spray on - wipe off. But consider that after you remove the carrier, you're left with a micro layer of product, primarily filling the nooks and crannies of the painted surface... not unlike that of the spray 'n wipe product once cured.

I also have considered the spray on, wipe off products as shorter lived toppers.

But Optimum, for one, claims OCW (alone) exposed 24/7 can bead water for 5 months...so if it's applied every 3 months (and it takes less than 30 minutes) why spend hours with a paste product.

Also, lets consider Klasse SG, AJT, AW and all the other sealants - I don't think these can be discredited as 'booster products' simply because they don't have a carrier haze to buff off.
 
abbeysdad said:
Now here's an interesting point to ponder. There's a presumption that a more difficult to apply paste product must be better than a spray on - wipe off. But consider that after you remove the carrier, you're left with a micro layer of product, primarily filling the nooks and crannies of the painted surface... not unlike that of the spray 'n wipe product once cured.

I also have considered the spray on, wipe off products as shorter lived toppers.

But Optimum, for one, claims OCW (alone) exposed 24/7 can bead water for 5 months...so if it's applied every 3 months (and it takes less than 30 minutes) why spend hours with a paste product.

Also, lets consider Klasse SG, AJT, AW and all the other sealants - I don't think these can be discredited as 'booster products' simply because they don't have a carrier haze to buff off.
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Not to mention WOWA products like Opti-Seal.



People do seem to be skeptical of these types of products, and think they won't last as long. I can assure you that that has not been my experience with Opti-Seal.
 
Gemini13 said:
Agreed. I find this funny as well. From what I've read people use things like AW and OCW or the like almost on a weekly to bi-weekly basis so the idea of which one lasts longer is really a moot point.
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I think longevity is only critical to people who a) have a long winter; and b) don't have a garage. I'm one of those, but in the part of the year that it is not winter, I love to play with different choices. (In winter I am all for collinite 476s X 3. thanks Accumulator.)



I recently got the new OCW and am really impressed with the results (though it is still too soon for me to speak to its longevity.) I missed my usual wash time the past weekend, and even through a haze of pollen, the car has an amazing shine. On my next -yes- ONR wash, my treat will be to try the new OID. Can't wait.



I still have a place for my paste and liquid waxes, and will keep playing with the looks of different product for fun, but I'm loving how easy OCW is. My puritan roots make me think I need to work harder for such good results, but I'm getting over it.
 
abbeysdad said:
Now here's an interesting point to ponder. There's a presumption that a more difficult to apply paste product must be better than a spray on - wipe off. But consider that after you remove the carrier, you're left with a micro layer of product, primarily filling the nooks and crannies of the painted surface... not unlike that of the spray 'n wipe product once cured.

I also have considered the spray on, wipe off products as shorter lived toppers.

But Optimum, for one, claims OCW (alone) exposed 24/7 can bead water for 5 months...so if it's applied every 3 months (and it takes less than 30 minutes) why spend hours with a paste product.

Also, lets consider Klasse SG, AJT, AW and all the other sealants - I don't think these can be discredited as 'booster products' simply because they don't have a carrier haze to buff off.
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My point was is reference to comment about people having clients that get a detail every 6 months. I like OCW and have the new version but I did my S-10 and used it as a topper about 5 weeks ago and the slickness is gone as is the tight beading that was there initially, it is outside 24/7. IMO products like OCW and AW are best used atop a base coat or as a refresher coat. Again this is my opinion and it may differ from yours. That fact however doesn't make it wrong just different. BTW Klasse SG and AJT are part of systems and are used as topcoats in that system. And I'm pretty sure Duragloss recommends AW as a post wash touch up. Just sayin.
 
UpNorth said:
I think longevity is only critical to people who a) have a long winter; and b) don't have a garage. I'm one of those, but in the part of the year that it is not winter, I love to play with different choices. (In winter I am all for collinite 476s X 3. thanks Accumulator.)



I recently got the new OCW and am really impressed with the results (though it is still too soon for me to speak to its longevity.) I missed my usual wash time the past weekend, and even through a haze of pollen, the car has an amazing shine. On my next -yes- ONR wash, my treat will be to try the new OID. Can't wait.



I still have a place for my paste and liquid waxes, and will keep playing with the looks of different product for fun, but I'm loving how easy OCW is. My puritan roots make me think I need to work harder for such good results, but I'm getting over it.
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I rather like OCWv2 and OID. My initial findings of the durability of OCW is that its about 4-5 weeks(outside 24-7). OID gives a great gloss and slickness. It really made the red paint on my S-10 standout.
 
abbeysdad said:
Now here's an interesting point to ponder. There's a presumption that a more difficult to apply paste product must be better than a spray on - wipe off. But consider that after you remove the carrier, you're left with a micro layer of product, primarily filling the nooks and crannies of the painted surface... not unlike that of the spray 'n wipe product once cured.

I also have considered the spray on, wipe off products as shorter lived toppers.

But Optimum, for one, claims OCW (alone) exposed 24/7 can bead water for 5 months...so if it's applied every 3 months (and it takes less than 30 minutes) why spend hours with a paste product.

Also, lets consider Klasse SG, AJT, AW and all the other sealants - I don't think these can be discredited as 'booster products' simply because they don't have a carrier haze to buff off.
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I think that we have some serious interpretation issues here.



1.) Optimum says OCW lasts UP TO 5 months, which means UNMOLESTED, GARAGED. This is the theoretical max of the product. Exposed to the elements 24/7, OCW lasts 1-2 months.



2.) Klasse SG hazes.



3.) Being a QD, a "booster" or a standalone LSP depends on the percentage of the active ingredients.



Yes, a SOWA product deposits a very fine micro layer of protection onto the surface. Take for example the OCW II: the first application is already impressive. But after 20-30 minutes, the second layer will look even better and it will be even slicker. Its slickness rivals any perceived bests. Yes, it's faster than applying a paste, but when you work with a cooperative paste, you can do it very quick. Even with harder waxes which need to applied panel by panel or 2 panels. Apply initially to 2 panels, then wipe the first down. Apply to the 3rd, wipe down the 2nd. You won't spend "hours with a paste product".
 
What is OID ? I placed my order as stated in the start of this thread , so I'm excited to get it and giver hell :)
 
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