Is BFWD batch #24 safe for lacquer paint?

Bluedog

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got this on our msg board... cant say i agree with 100% of what hes saying though. so i thought id bring it here to all my knowledged teachers:D please give opinions on this and tell me if theres stuff u dont agree.







info sharing-car wax



This is from a person who knows his stuff:

"wash then wax - great advice, best thing you can do for your paint. Next, polishes contain abrasives, but polishes contain no nutrients and paint cannot be nourished per se.

The abrasives in polishes work against oxidation by removing the oxidation and restoring a nice smooth surface. However, if you continue to use a polish on a regular basis, you will soon polish your way right through the clear coat (if you're paint is clear coated) and start removing your paint. If your buffing towel or cloth comes away with any "color" to it, you are already cutting into the paint. 1-2 times per year is the most you should use any polish, glaze or "cleaner wax" formulation. There is limited benefit to apply two

coats of wax because you will have the same amount of wax on your paint after the first coat as the second coat if you apply it the same day.

The amount of wax you can apply is dictated by the paint's loading capacity. Let me explain.

Each painted surface has a maximum loading capacity which is the surface's ability to hold a quantity of wax. The loading capacity varies based upon the roughness of the surface (one factor). Unless you are a bigger miser than me, you will surely exceed that loading capacity with your first application of wax following a washing. Everything that you buff off the paint is wax which is in excess of the surface's loading

capacity. The only advantage to applying a second coat of wax is that you might miss a spot on the first application, and you'll probably not miss that spot twice."
 
I can discredit him allready on his nuticious paint feeders, were talking about cars here not breakfast (RonK said "feeding" paint oils is BS and is bad if anything). Second, a glaze technicaly contains no polishes/abrasives, but i can forgive him on that because the inductry has turned glaze into a multitude of things, from an abrasive polish to wax. Finnaly, i have noticed differences with multiple wax applications. He sright that you wont really be layering, but you will be filling in microscopic parts you missed and adding more oils enhancing the shine. Also, using a mild polish like BF or the such more than two times a year is allright, not with FI-2 (or the such) though.
 
He's right, if color comes out on your towel, then you're screwed



As for the other stuff, I can see how carnauba (and other otc waxes) have a diminishing point of return but something way more durable like Klasse has a different molecular structure. The very fact that you are using an a acrylic polymer means that you can put another polymer on top of another and achieve bulding of the coat. By my fifth coat of Klasse on the seventh day (sounds like a bible account ;))you can feel the properties of the Klasse. The paint feels different from 3 coats (and that's just not filling in parts because by the 4th i'm sure I didn't miss a spot), then from 5. The paint starts to feel, well kinda rubbery, you can smell the Klasse on the paint. So maybe you do hit the paint loading capacity, but after that you're loading on top of Klasse itself.



Then a week later it seems to set up nice, all and proper for Souveran. Which is another attestment to building. After 5 coats Klasse, according to them, we should hit the paint loading capacity. But when you add carnauba it really adds to the shine and depth, technically it should even stick, but it does as you can tell by looking at it. (just my thoughts)
 
Klasse AIO has no abrasives as far as I know so you could use it quite often. That feeding and nourshment stuff comes from Zymol doesn't it, what your paint eats breakfast? It's paint for goodness sakes!
 
AIO does have abrasives in it, it is a polish and does contain solvents and some mild polishes. Its not really harsh stuff but you should try not to use it more than twice a year (you wont have to anyway because the protection will last you a good 6 months)
 
I agree the paint does not need nourishment!



I agree that multiple applications of a cleaner or abrasive wax are a waste of time as they just strip and reapply a new coat.



With carnubas, the gloss may increase with multiple coats beacuse you are adding more oil.....oil on top of oil.



With a good polymer, it will layer with multiple coats because the previous coat bonds with the clear and almost becomes part of it.
 
If you look at what the guy says about nutrients and paint nourishment, I think he is right:

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polishes contain abrasives, but polishes contain no nutrients and paint cannot be nourished per se</blockquote>

i.e he is saying "polishes contain no nutrients" (correct) and "paint cannot be nourished" (correct again)

Or am I reading it completely wrong? :confused:
 
I think what he wrote makes sense. Loading makes sense. His comments on "you can't really get two coats" pertained to WAX and he limited his comment to trying to lay down two coats of wax in a day. The polish comments are true . . . eventually you can polish off your clearcoat -- what if you polished weekly with FII and a PC?
 
DARBH -



That's what I'm wondering, I had to go over my car a few times with a polish when I first got it to fix it up.



I wonder when the clear coat will be gone after a certian number of applications?



I am gonna start a new post for this.



:bounce
 
somebody try it on a car, and tell us



it'll probably be like the question, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop :D
 
Good analogy, Steve. I think it depend on 1. how hard you lick 2. how rough your tongue is and, 3., how long your tongue is. Applies to cars 1. how hard do you rub or how much pressure on a PC 2. what is the grit of the abbrassive you are using and the pad and 3. how fast is the PC or rotary turning, or how fast do you rub.
 
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Let's find out . . . one <slurp>, two-hooo <slurp>, three <slurp, <strong class='bbc'>CRUNCH![/b]>.

Three.
 
you guys rock, lmao
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If your car makes a crunch sound with the PC (or your tongue!) then you're in some deep shiznit!
 
TORT you have a little too much free time maybe?



or



Are very internet search savy!



Very funny!



Now I have a craving for a tootsie roll pop
 
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<em class='bbc'>Originally posted by Guess My Name [/i]
<strong class='bbc'>TORT you have a little too much free time maybe?

or

Are very internet search savy!

Very funny!

Now I have a craving for a tootsie roll pop [/b]</blockquote>A bit too much free time, <strong class='bbc'>and[/b] I surf pretty good, too :D

I'm a web programmer for a living, and I've been online since before there was a "world wide web". I still remember using Gopher and WAIS to do searches for stuff . . . things have come a long way. Just remember, Google is your friend.

Tort
 
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