Ipa 105/205

I was just thinking about something similar. I wonder if the KBM is a tad aggressive for 105??



Drew
Greg Nichols said:
I have a typo in my photo posting: I was 105 burg, 205 yellow, 205 black. Sorry I'm going to edit it.
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Updates,



The marring is not from the towel, I did a IPA test and allowed to evap, samething.



The IPA is straight, no h2o added if I did it would be distilled.



The photo might not show it but the marring is not straight line.



I'm worried as I HATE to have returns on work, and I've done this process before. I know every paint is different, but.............



I messed around with the speed, didn't seem to make a difference, I still get marring showing up.

Cheers,

GREG
 
Like I said before, it could very well be that this particular paint just isn't playing well with that combination.



You don't see many/any threads about filling with M105 or M205, which leads me to believe this is an isolated incident and not a reason for widespread panic.



You should be doing an IPA wipe down in your test spot regardless, right? Just continue to do so (just like you do with Menzerna...) and you should be fine.



I can say with certainly that I have never experienced filling or defect returns from M105 or M205. Almost all of my clients are return clients so I would know. I also use M105 and M205 more than anything else, so my sample size is a decent size.
 
jdoria said:
Avoid the customer return, go another polishing route. Rotary and 106?
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Humor? Ironic considering 106 was the polish that revealed the Menzerna filling issue.
 
I have had the same exact problem. I couldn't figure out why. I was doing this on GM black. Anyway, I was wiping down with Megs MF and it was causing some marring afterwards. After performing the M105/M205 combo several times and coming up with marring, I switched over to a Cobra Arctic White edgeless MF and found NO marring after IPA wipedown.



What I have concluded is that on this type of paint, eventhough the Megs MF were very soft, the edges were causing slight marring as well as the occasional scratch during the IPA wipedown. Anyway, after testing this on a CD, I found that the edges do scratch somewhat...and even tested this on several other 'edged' MF's. So, to end this problem, all I buy anymore are the Cobra edgeless MF's, and since switching over to the edgeless, I have not had any problems with marring/scratching during IPA wipedown or wax/polish/glaze/sealant removal.
 
Greg Nichols said:
Has anyone else seen what happens when you IPA after a 105/205 polishing?

I've spent the last few days noticing that 105 and 205 look outstanding, until you wipe them down with 91% IPA, then slight marring shows up. I took some photos I'll upload soon.



My technique was the KBM, using PFW (rotary), Megs 2.0 burg and black pads (RO). I messed around with my methods but get marring no matter what.





I'm stoping short of saying these two fill defects until further notice...........





Cheers,

GREG
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It's weird you mention that because I had a few people pm me about the same thing.
 
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I hardly ever use M105 or M205, but I recently tried this combo on a 'quicky' detail for one of my customers. The vehicle was being sold to one of his friends, so I was instructed to give the car a quick 2-step polish so it looked decent for him. I used the M105 & M205 combo and experienced some filling as well. The paint looked great after polishing, but as soon as I wiped it down with 91% alcohol, some of the defects returned and the panels appeared very hazy. I had to go back and redo some of the areas with Menzerna to get the results I was looking for, which I was not happy about since this was a ‘quick’ job. I had absolutely no issues with the areas that were polished with Menzerna after an alcohol wipedown, so I’m pretty sure it was the M205. I used the same microfiber to wipe the panels polished with M205 and the panels polished with Menzerna, so it's definitely not from the microfiber.

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Since all paints are different, I tried the same combo on another vehicle just to see if the same thing happened. Sure enough, a slight haze appeared after the alcohol wipedown. I tried a few different pads which usually work for me with no luck. I will say that I did not use the pads that Meguiar’s recommends, but there is no reason why I shouldn’t have been able to finish off correctly with the pads I was using. I have detailed a few cars in my life, so I’m pretty sure my technique was spot on :)…
 
Greg, thanks for posting this.



I hardly ever use M105 or M205, but I recently tried this combo on a 'quicky' detail for one of my customers. The vehicle was being sold to one of his friends, so I was instructed to give the car a quick 2-step polish so it looked decent for him. I used the M105 & M205 combo and experienced some filling as well. The paint looked great after polishing, but as soon as I wiped it down with 91% alcohol, some of the defects returned and the panels appeared very hazy. I had to go back and redo some of the areas with Menzerna to get the results I was looking for, which I was not happy about since this was a ‘quick’ job. I had absolutely no issues with the areas that were polished with Menzerna after an alcohol wipedown, so I’m pretty sure it was the M205.



Since all paints are different, I tried the same combo on another vehicle just to see if the same thing happened. Sure enough, a slight haze appeared after the alcohol wipedown. I tried a few different pads which usually work for me with no luck. I will say that I did not use the pads that Meguiar’s recommends, but there is no reason why I shouldn’t have been able to finish off correctly with the pads I was using. I have detailed a few cars in my life, so I’m pretty sure my technique was spot on…
 
damn it...might need to always finish up with a milder polish?



do you think its the 105 or the 205?



what about following with FpII? think its enough to remove any hazing?



I might be needing to call up a couple people and ask to see their cars two weeks later!
 
RickRack said:
Greg, thanks for posting this.



I hardly ever use M105 or M205, but I recently tried this combo on a 'quicky' detail for one of my customers. The vehicle was being sold to one of his friends, so I was instructed to give the car a quick 2-step polish so it looked decent for him. I used the M105 & M205 combo and experienced some filling as well. The paint looked great after polishing, but as soon as I wiped it down with 91% alcohol, some of the defects returned and the panels appeared very hazy. I had to go back and redo some of the areas with Menzerna to get the results I was looking for, which I was not happy about since this was a ‘quick’ job. I had absolutely no issues with the areas that were polished with Menzerna after an alcohol wipedown, so I’m pretty sure it was the M205.



Since all paints are different, I tried the same combo on another vehicle just to see if the same thing happened. Sure enough, a slight haze appeared after the alcohol wipedown. I tried a few different pads which usually work for me with no luck. I will say that I did not use the pads that Meguiar’s recommends, but there is no reason why I shouldn’t have been able to finish off correctly with the pads I was using. I have detailed a few cars in my life, so I’m pretty sure my technique was spot on…
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Great post Rick, thanks... it's good to hear that one of the Big Guns is having the same experiences/problems with 205.



In addition to the filling, I'm also having difficulties getting 205 to finish down well. Hard or soft paint doesn't matter; after an IPA wipedown, I'm left with either holograms (on hard paint) or compounding swirls ( on soft paint). I've tried everything I know, and I'm still having the same problems. Most of the time, I can get 105 to finish down better than 205. My results look just about identical to Greg's post IPA wipedown pic. I still haven't used 205 enough with a DA to form an opinion on DA/205 results, but with the rotary, I simply cannot get 205 to finish well at all.



I'm getting much better results with Menzerna Final Finish in this polish category. I've been able to get it to finish down as well as 106FF.
 
toyotaguy said:
damn it...might need to always finish up with a milder polish?



do you think its the 105 or the 205?



what about following with FpII? think its enough to remove any hazing?



I might be needing to call up a couple people and ask to see their cars two weeks later!
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I double damn it, if this proves to be the case........



I think its both at this point in time, 205 is the bigger problem for me right now.



I would not panic yet, but I would do a drop by just to see how things are going. I would especially follow up with that s2000 you just posted up, I know 151 will fill.



Less Cheer,



GREG
 
yeah the S2000 is across the ally, so I can check on that one next time I see him washing it to check for hazi paint - not that I am going to redo it, he gave me 150 for a three step and interior work...lol, good thing he is a neighbor and I didnt have to drive anywhere!



have you tried out 80 after 105? if its the 205 that is giving you trouble, then maybe 80 would finish better? 105 finishes down better than 83 and removes more, and 80 was always a good followup for 83, maybe the same for 105??
 
Greg Nichols said:
Updates,



The marring is not from the towel, I did a IPA test and allowed to evap, samething.



The IPA is straight, no h2o added if I did it would be distilled.



The photo might not show it but the marring is not straight line.



I'm worried as I HATE to have returns on work, and I've done this process before. I know every paint is different, but.............



I messed around with the speed, didn't seem to make a difference, I still get marring showing up.

Cheers,

GREG
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Try finishing it off with M205 on the rotary using a black Megs pad. Some paints simply do not react well with DA's on some polishes.
 
or you can do a few quick passes with 85rd after M205. This combo is holding up pretty good for me.



1. M105/white

2. M205/black

3. 85rd/black
 
I have noticed as well 205 not finishing down 100% on all paints, but I can say the same for Gloss-it, Menzerna, optimum as well. This is why you must have an arsenal available for all paint types.



Sometimes different combos are required, 205 does work great though when it works. Also after compounding Flex or cyclo is great with the same compound (whatever you might be using to reduce micro marring before finish polishing and jewelling). my .02 $
 
Greg - Make sure you keep us posted if this keeps happening on other vehicles. I've been toying with the idea of the likelyhood of being able to 105 via a cutting pad/rotary and then finishing with PC/205.
 
David Fermani said:
Greg - Make sure you keep us posted if this keeps happening on other vehicles. I've been toying with the idea of the likelyhood of being able to 105 via a cutting pad/rotary and then finishing with PC/205.
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I just used a Solo cutting pad with M105 on the rotary and finished with M205 on the rotary with the Megs black cutting pad. All looks great as of right now but I may go over it with UF or PO85RD on the Flex just to be sure. Not sure if the PC would have the smae results though.
 
David Fermani said:
Greg - Make sure you keep us posted if this keeps happening on other vehicles. I've been toying with the idea of the likelyhood of being able to 105 via a cutting pad/rotary and then finishing with PC/205.
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David,



That was a combo I also tried. Everything looked GREAT until I did a wipedown. Then all my hopes were dashed. From what others are also finding this may be a lost hope.



this paint was a black SS.



I also did a Jet black BMW with just 205/black 2.0, looked great until a wipe down.



Cheers,

GREG
 
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