Interesting topic of discussion from detailfest: Glazes

Wouldn't a glaze decrease the durability of a good nuba though? I was pondering that if you layer a nuba on top of a glaze that there could be some bonding issues there...
 
XRL said:
So I was talking to the Menzerna rep at detailfest, and he mentioned how he didn't see much of a point to put a glaze on a polished car. His reasoning was that the glaze is mainly going to just fill in any small imperfections in the finish, and after polishing you shouldn't have very many of those. Not only that, but if you're topping with a wax or sealant, those should also be capable of filling in the little imperfections as well.



Now personally I've never used a legitimate glaze, so I can't really make an educated opinion. I do usually layer a sealant under my carnauba because i enjoy trying out LSP combos.



Anyways, i wanted to get you guys' opinions on it, are glazes worthwhile or just fluff?
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I agree with the Menzerna rep. Since I know how to finish with 3M Perfect It III Machine Glaze (my versatile polish of choice), I see absolutely NO reason to apply a hand glaze.
 
DWG=Awesome....thanks bob for a great product



CG creme glaze is also great as a paint cleaner/base for subsequent sealant or wax
 
volvo theyre almost the same. DWG is layerable, where as CG EZ glaze has very very fine abrasives and its also a chemical cleaner.



You can ask bob/danase if theres any other differences but thats the main point to me. I like to use CG's to clean up and start all over, where as I like to use DWG inbetween sealant layers.



I used under my fuzion and my paint pops like never before, atleast in my eyes
 
^^^ That pretty much sums it up



If the paint is perfect anything after that is in the eye of the beholder.



And as others have said, glazes arent bad if the person isnt paying for a full correction
 
Dsoto87 said:
volvo theyre almost the same. DWG is layerable, where as CG EZ glaze has very very fine abrasives and its also a chemical cleaner.



You can ask bob/danase if theres any other differences but thats the main point to me. I like to use CG's to clean up and start all over, where as I like to use DWG inbetween sealant layers.



I used under my fuzion and my paint pops like never before, atleast in my eyes
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Dsoto, thats exactly what I was going to use it under! I guess ill HAVE to get DWG now that I know its a bit different than CG's
 
SuperBee364 said:
I've been using Danase Wet Glaze (since it's sealant based) under 1000P on cars that I use sealant on instead of wax, and it looks fantastic. Conventional wisdom regarding DWG is that it doesn't have much filling/hiding ability, but l disagree with that. I've found that it *does* conceal/hide defects fairly well. Not as good as an oil based glaze, but still better than any sealant I've used, and certainly *much* better than Z5 (Sal says it conceals, but I have never seen *any* hiding ability from Z5).
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how does this affect the durability of 1000p? i have two coats of 1000p on my dd....coming on 4 months now and still looking good. does the glaze underneath affect the durability?
 
yo2tup said:
how does this affect the durability of 1000p? i have two coats of 1000p on my dd....coming on 4 months now and still looking good. does the glaze underneath affect the durability?
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I wish I could answer that... by the time I ever get any of those cars back to me, any trace of an LSP is gone.



I used DWG under 1000P on my wife's Sequoia and on a test section of my 'bee, but in both cases I couldn't keep my hands off and ended up taking the 1000P off for the next test.



Anyone have any real world durability results for 1000p under DWG?
 
If a Meg's rep says not to use a glaze then what is #5, #3, #7 and #9 for in their line up?



Do they not have filling properties to them?
 
Dsoto87 said:
Anthony I think your getting menz/menzerna and megs mixed up. I didnt see megs mentioned
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Oh crap.....:geez



You're right, I stand corrected. I saw it in a glance and thought it was Meguiars.



So then what about the Menzerna glaze?



Anthony
 
lawrencea said:
If you have a dark colored car a glaze will make a good looking car look like a great looking car.
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Agreed, but I always use the glaze last.......

DWG is a different story being as its contains some acrylic protection. But for the most part, my theory is glazes should be used for quick color amplification, not under a sealant or wax. Ive always wondered how a glazes stays put when you use physical attrition putting on a sealant or wax.
 
I rarely use a glaze but just like every product, they have its place. For example, a few weeks back a customer wanted to sell their vehicle, I did a polish with Optimum Polish II, then applied RMG, then topped it with NXT 2.0



That is not something I would do on the regular but it looked great and could barely notice the swirls and what not. Customer was happy seeing they only spent $200
 
a.k.a. Patrick said:
..my theory is glazes should be... not under a sealant or wax. Ive always wondered how a glazes stays put when you use physical attrition putting on a sealant or wax.
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I've wondered about that too :think:



I absolutely cannot explain *why* but IME when a given combo seems to work (as in no obvious bonding issues where the subsequent product just smears around on top of the previously applied one), then the combo does simply *work* period.



I've used LSPs over glazes for ages, and members of my family applied #16 over #7 before I was even born. The wax does not remove the underlying product; you can still see it doing its thing (unglazed areas won't look the same after you wax).



IMPORTANT NOTE: This does, however, work a whole lot better with more porous paints- old-school single stage and b/c that has build film issues (pits, micro-fissures, etc.).



Try doing a side-by-side using a Meg's Pure Polish on a paint that really responds to it, same LSP on the glazed/not sections. You'll see that the Pure Polish keeps doing its appearance-boost thing and that the LSP applied over top of it remains durable.



Again, *NO* I can't explain how it works :nixweiss IF I had to guess I'd say the glaze gets caught/built-up in the (possibly microscopic) imperfections in the build film.
 
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