Imports or Muscle

[Crush]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Rice is Imports and Muscle is American high powered cars (camaros,mustangs,vettes,vipers etc)

Personally, I don't consider any of those "muscle cars." To me, the Corvettes & Vipers are sports cars and the Mustangs & Camaros are pony cars.

I would consider a muscle car to be something like the GM A Body Platform (Chevelle, GTO, etc.)

 

[bigron62]

Re: Rice or Muscle

personally i like the chevy vega ..mine idles very rough gets terrible mileage and has two bald tires but somehow i love this little car ...i love to turn ricers into FRIED RICE :rofl

 

[GearHead_1]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Personally, I don't consider any of those "muscle cars." To me, the Corvettes & Vipers are sports cars and the Mustangs & Camaros are pony cars.

In my book and I think many others Pony cars are viewed as a subset of muscle cars (big engine, rear wheel drive, two door, long hood). Of course Wikipedia would disagree with me. Muscle cars were around before Pony cars hit the scene. Then there's the Vega, where does it fall Ron? By the way I had a Boss 429 Pinto in the mid 80's. Your Vega reminds me of those days. Remember the Cosworth Vega?

 

[bigron62]

Re: Rice or Muscle

my car is not a muscle car but its got lots of muscle ...also i get a weird feeling when someone calls a newer camaro/mustang a muscle car ... hot rod is probably the correct word .. in my opinion muscle cars have been gone since around 1973 when smog controls killed the power .. i like HOT ROD and TUNER cars that kinda sounds better to me...my car is a pro street hot rod

 

[pt91]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Although the term "Ricers" is pretty derogatory, I can see cases where it can be applied. However, I'm not bigoted enough to call all import cars "Ricers". Typically, when I see a poorly fitted or painted body kit, big aluminum wing or jumbo exhaust tips, I think of the term "Ricer". But, I don't see a clean, stock-looking G35 Coupe, 350Z, Mazda RX-8, etc as a "ricer".

I also consider Muscle Cars as the V-8 powered beasts of yesteryear. Arguments could be made for the G-Body cars of the 80's. They weren't exactly large displacements or fast (with the exception of the Grand National). But, they were the best the industry had to offer aside from the pony cars. In recent years, I don't know what to call American Muscle. The GTO was a short lived and re badged Australian import. It's performance was nice, but the looks didn't scream "Muscle". The Dodge Charge comes in a nice R/T, Daytona and SRT trims, but can a four door sedan be considered a "Muscle Car"? The are some promising cars on the horizon including the new Camaro and the Challenger.

I'm happy with my little import. I guess that makes me a ricer. Oh well, I've been called a lot worse.

couldn't have said it better.
which, if either category, would the nissan gt-r fall into? How about the nsx (without major mods)?

 

[bigron62]

Re: Rice or Muscle

every era of auto has theyre name. street rod,rat rod,pony car ,sports car ,super car , tuner car , and cars with monster tach, huge muffler , body kit and a large wing ...RICER ...HA HA ..thats what asian import cars are called ...they will never be anything but a RICER. and the idiots that drive them like idiots have given the street car hobby a bad name trying to be fast & furious like vin deisel and caused many law abiding rodders and others to harassed by law enforcement so i have no use for RICERS ....

 

[LikeaRock]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Screw all of you, it's allllllll about Jeeps.

c'mon Troy, back me up here buddy assout:

I'd pick both options though. Slap me in an Evo IX and I'll be in heaven

 

[Jngrbrdman]

Re: Rice or Muscle

We definitely need to get some terminology straight here.

A 'Rice Burner' is a motorcycle and not a car.

'Rice' is anything tacky painted, bolted, stuck on, or otherwise attached to a car of any make.

Don't make me post pictures of Mustangs with three spoilers bolted on top of each other and Camaro Type Rs that circulate on the internet.... And if I had a dime for everytime I saw a domestic car driving as if their Cavalier were a Ferrari just because they bolted on an AutoZone muffler and put blue headlights on and LEDs in their wipers, then I'd be a millionaire. Rice can be attached to any vehicle and it isn't reserved for imports. AutoZone and PepBoys don't ask what kind of car that crap is going to get stuck on when they sell it. If I see one more Mustang GTR out there just because AutoZone sells GTR badges then I think I'll be sick.

I have to say that the term Ricer is extremely offensive to one who drives an import. Just because the car was made in Japan doesn't make it tacky and offensive to all you superior gas guzzling muscle cars. I don't appreciate the reference of Ricer just because I drive a Toyota. It is an extremely derogatory term and something I thought would be against the rules on the forums...

Have a poll comparing Imports to Domestics based on personal preference and that is fine. Don't have a poll comparing the most derrogatory word for Imports that you can find and the most glorifying term for Domestics that you can find. That is like having a poll for "Diseased Rat Meat Burger King versus Mana from Heaven MacDonalds". Can we at least nuke the whole thread and start a new one if it is really a discussion that is to be had on Detail City?

 

[audiboy]

Re: Rice or Muscle

IMO, American muscle has been dead for quite some time now. When you look back in time, around the late '60s and '70s, you'll see what American muscle really was. They were torque monsters with plenty of horsepower to go around. Today, the only two American contenders are the Viper and the Vette. The Viper can't seem to find a way to put all of the power to the ground. The Vette, IMO, is probably the only American sports car worth purchasing.

Yeah, the Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds, etc. can be made fast, but it will take a good chunk of change. Even then, they'll only be good for a straight line. To me, the 1/4 mile is the bowling of the automotive world. Even a well modded Camaro will handle in the "sub par" category around a road course. I don't even think I have to mention the amount of gas they drink with those "big" V-8's.

Imports, on the other hand, are thriving. They're able to make sporty vehicles that are very well rounded. Vehicles that combine the right amount of handling and horsepower to make a very fun ride.

Take the 350Z around for a track and try to find where it's lacking. Take an M3, S4, or even an R32 to pick up the kids after carving up some canyon roads and try to wipe the grin off of your face.

Mazda, Nissan, Audi, VW, and BMW are the companies that I keep my eye on because I think they're really trying to better the automotive world by making a complete vehicle that can suite almost any demographic. They all have their flagship vehicles but also offer a relatively tame trim. They're also using their R&D a lot better as well, IMO. Bringing back the high revving twin turbo models almost brought a tear to my eye.

I guess it all just comes down to personal preference. Yeah, American cars produce a lot of torque and can go fast in a straight line. I'll give them that. I'd just rather have a car that can get some groceries and be able to stretch it's legs on the way home around some turns.


These are all just ramblings of a crazy man.

 

[TiredNGrouchy]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Well stated Jngrbrdman.

The original poll question was so loaded. It's like a poll asking if you're an American or a Democrat.

I'm no fan of rice, but there are some incredible cars coming out of Japan right now. Nissan GT-R, Lexus IS-F, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X. I would not turn down the keys to a C6 Corvette though.

 

[black bart]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Super Cars are Lambo, Ferrari, Ford GT, McLaren, Veyron.

I would include the new ZR-1 in that list :bow

 

[black bart]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Did some one mention muscle
This is my 1178 HP Supercharged and Nitrous Injected 406 in my Corvette.
Modern technology makes it easy to built a fast car now days

 

[YNOT]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Well, this is a fun topic. I was born in 69 and just before moving to St. Louis, my Dad bought a 1970 GTO Judge. He owned that GTO until a few years back when he decided to sell it and man was it cherry. It had been well maintained and he had every receipt from any service work on it as well as all of his mileage records and such. The car was all stock and in pristine shape although it needed to be 'restored' to be 'perfect'.

So needless to say, I've been a car freak since birth. Growing up I always wanted a 70 Chevelle or a 70 Nova...still to this day never had either.

My first car was a VW bug and so there it all began. I got into the 'Cal-Look' bug scene and after 2 years of tricking out my VW I was setting my sites on the mini-truckin scene which lead to my 2nd car...or truck...a 1986 Toyota. That thing was my favorite of all...I sunk around 10g's (I seriously spent 'every' paycheck on it and then some) in it over the 3 or 4 years I owned it. From custom paint, to custom interior, a tilt bed, then a solid-sided shell with a futon in back...that thing had it all. I joined the ISCA and entered the World of Wheels show winning 2nd place as well as entering a plethora of cars shows week in and week out...it was a blast!

Where I'm going with this is that I love all types of 'nicely-done' cars. Sure, there's no denying that Muscle Cars shaped the very foundation of the hobby nowadays but with the price of gas and the never ending quest to be unique and different I think the 'new-age hot rods' as I like to call these new cars, whether American made or overseas...these cars are the cars most younger people can afford and customize.

The way I see it, everything evolves and so has the car hobby. As long as a new-age car...Japanese, German, American or whatever is done well and tastefully then I love it. I love to simply see younger kids getting into the car hobby and keeping themselves out of trouble. It worked for me...I spent virtually every waking minute working on or detailing my old cars which kept me out of trouble growing up. Mom and Dad always knew where I was...heck they spent most of their time helping my brother and I with our cars...it was a way to bring the family together.

The other thing...I think the term ricer is really just a misused term...because most of those cars were 'imports' or 'compacts' people just tagged them as 'ricer' and it stuck. People immediately assume these cars are owned by young punk kids looking for a street race. In my opinion a 'ricer' is just another word for a 'tacky' car fitted with a useless wing and decals that are not even fitting for the car or parts used on the car.

My last car I owned was a '01 Ford Focus ZX3 which I designed and painted myself. I had a number of people who didn't ordinarily like the 'imports' and 'compacts' tell me they really liked it while a few others would still call it a ricer. You tell me...would you consider this a 'ricer' just because it's a sport compact car?

Bottom line...I like Muscle Cars and 'Ricers' if that's what you wanna call 'em...as long as they are tastefully done. I've seen plenty of muscle cars that were done tacky enough to be called a 'ricer' if they were and import.

Sorry for the long story but I feel like the sport compact crowd is an important segment in the car hobby and is simply bashed or overlooked because it's not 'normal' or because of a few bad apples that have spoiled it for everyone.

Oh...and when I feel the need for American Muscle, I hop into this, our '01 GT Mustang as it's always good for a little 'fun'...

:bigups

 

[Troy@Protekt]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Screw all of you, it's allllllll about Jeeps.

c'mon Troy, back me up here buddy assout:

I'd pick both options though. Slap me in an Evo IX and I'll be in heaven

I'm definitely partial to Jeeps.:drive: :bigups


El Camino Kid asked in the chat room the other night if we liked rice or muscle and I said that sounded like a good poll question. I didn't realize it was gonna get critiqued so much.

I don't think he was trying to include all cars in his poll. It's like asking do you like Chinese food or Mexican food better and instead of answering the question everyone starts saying well what about french fries?

There is nothing stopping someone from starting another more inclusive and more politically correct poll if they wish.:notme:

:dcrules

 

[GearHead_1]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Please take a breath and smile before reading this response.

We definitely need to get some terminology straight here.
A 'Rice Burner' is a motorcycle and not a car.

Not in my book and yes I've called my own cars ricers. Motorcycle's have for a long time been referred to as crotch rockets, fast Japanese bikes are called rice rockets. Rice burners was a term put on Datsun's and Toyota's from the early 70's, I've heard it used since I was a kid. Of course that's how you learned the term, I just learned differently earlier.

'Rice' is anything tacky painted, bolted, stuck on, or otherwise attached to a car of any make....Rice can be attached to any vehicle and it isn't reserved for imports.

Already acknowledged.

I have to say that the term Ricer is extremely offensive to one who drives an import.

It is what it is, though I was never offended when someone called my Toyota a ricer, it clearly wasn't dressed the part. Get over it, it's not worth wasting good mind cycles on.

gas guzzling muscle cars.

This is a fallacy, a 350 h.p. Japanese car doesn't get any better mileage than a 350 h.p. American Muscle car and there are plenty of American cars that get respectable mileage.

I don't appreciate the reference of Ricer just because I drive a Toyota.

This is a personal issue and isn't likely to change soon. You don't have to like it but others won't stop using the description. I didn't necessarily like a personal reference earlier in this thread but I'm still watching it.

It is an extremely derogatory term and something I thought would be against the rules on the forums...

Ahhh.... censorship for words that have not yet achieved the status of profanity and not directed at a specific individual but a group of cars. Did you really say that?

Can we at least nuke the whole thread and start a new one if it is really a discussion that is to be had on Detail City?

You can of course start a new thread and start it in the direction you would like to see it go.

This reply is in good fun and I don't mean to offend. It's the same old my wax is better than your wax discussion applied to car descriptions. I still love Jngrbrdman and appreciate his point of view. My view is no more correct or absolute than his, it's simply my opinion. It goes to show you how passionate people are about their rides. Long live Ricers! Long live Muscle Cars! I hope we can sit at the same table. Now.... Rat Rods, what do we do about them?

 

[black bart]

Re: Rice or Muscle

I'm definitely partial to Jeeps.:drive: :bigups




There is nothing stopping someone from starting another more inclusive and more politically correct poll if they wish.:notme:

:dcrules

Political Correctness, the definition of which is:

A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end!

 

[Scott P]

Re: Rice or Muscle

Yeah...no bias or spin in that definition...:hmmm:

 

[Beemerboy]

Re: Rice or Muscle

I see where the problem came up...RICE was the problem..some think that all Japanese cars are ricers...where its more about how the car is modified, rather than the car itself. The term rice insinuates japanese cars to most is what I see.

All that said the better would have been imports or muscle.

Truly I can't see where comparing big block American vintage muscle cars to Japanese modified cars ( if that's what we are referring to as Ricers) is even a comparison...they are two totally different things

I'm definitely partial to Jeeps.:drive: :bigups


El Camino Kid asked in the chat room the other night if we liked rice or muscle and I said that sounded like a good poll question. I didn't realize it was gonna get critiqued so much.

I don't think he was trying to include all cars in his poll. It's like asking do you like Chinese food or Mexican food better and instead of answering the question everyone starts saying well what about french fries?

There is nothing stopping someone from starting another more inclusive and more politically correct poll if they wish.:notme:

:dcrules

 

[sliique]

Re: Rice or Muscle - Muscle, All Da' Way!!!!!

Yep, Muscle, hands down, here.

I'd also like to commend Troy for his first two responses. And, the one immediately before my Post.

Now, then...I'm a product of the middle 50'S (born in 1943), so I'm now 65. I remember, with GLEE, shoebox Fords, (49 - 51), shoebox Stovebolts, (55 - 57 Chevys), and a whole lot more. I'm a firm believer in "if it don't go fast, I personally AIN'T gonna own it. Thats V8fast, too!

Now, for many, many years, I pretty much ridiculed anything that wasn't American and V8. StreetRod Nat's, etc. About 10 years ago, I decided that there is a place for ANY vehicle in the hobby, regardless of birthplace and cylinders. Personally, I would NOT own one of those "rice," rides with the double wing, stickers all over it, etc. But, to each his own, imho.

Too, ANY time I hear anything that isn't a V8, my brain automatically informs me and I simply burst out laughing. Generally it's a F**tcan (as in flatulance!), equipped Toyota, Honda, etc. Hence, the term ricer was, for the most part, applicable to those makes and, as far as I know, still are. If it ain't a vehicle of Asian origin, usually it isn't described as "rice."

Indeed, I have a 93 Mustang Cobra with absolutely sweet sounding Dynomaxs' on it. imho, NO 4 or 6 cylinder engine can EVER sound as good. Yet, I've seen Mustangs, etc., with a doggoned double wing on the trunk, Euro taillights, etc. Thats usually referred to as "riced out." I agree with that description.

But, fellas, there's a place for all of em in the hobby. One will never, however, hear an RX7 or a Accord even COME NEAR sounding like a 62 409 C.I., with 2 X 4'S at even half throttle!

Did i say muscle??

 

[Troy@Protekt]

Re: Rice or Muscle

I have to say that the term Ricer is extremely offensive to one who drives an import. Just because the car was made in Japan doesn't make it tacky and offensive to all you superior gas guzzling muscle cars. I don't appreciate the reference of Ricer just because I drive a Toyota. It is an extremely derogatory term and something I thought would be against the rules on the forums...

I don't like seeing anyone getting offended on here but I'm not sure this qualifies as offensive in my book.

Maybe I'm missing something but next thing you know someone's going to get offended that your calling their car a "gas guzzler" just because it is an American car. Where does it end?

I don't think you need to be offended that someone loosely applied a term that really doesn't apply to all imports or Japanese cars. This thread has provided a little drama and some good debate. Should it really be killed because of one term being used loosely? As GH said, it's not profanity and it's not directed at anyone specifically.

The only problem I am seeing is everyone trying to make this simple poll out to be more than it is.

What am I missing?:hmmm: