I'm a beginner Detailing in the sun, can I use Menzerna

Banacheq said:
Check your local sporting goods store too. I got a 12x12 E-Z Up recently for under $100. If you live in Southern California, they have 3 stores where they claim to offer great deals to walk-in customers.



I got the 12x12 mentioned here: EZ UP Instant Shelter Outlet.
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I went to one of their outlet in the Cerritos/Norwalk area and the prices didn't seem all that compared to Sam's Club or Costco's price. The store was practically empty with only a few canopies for display and demonstration. The employee looked bored out of his mind, but was willing to demonstrate how they work. I asked him if it can be done with 1 person and the answer he gave didn't sound too convincing. Sounds more like a 2 person job, but at least he was honest.
 
TH0001 said:
but if you wipe the area with body shop prep or prepsol, some swirls and scratches appear. If you deny this, then you have simply not done it, period.
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I'd rather not get involved in this, so I am not going to touch on any of the other issues except this one. I just want to say that I have wiped down cars polished with sip and 106ff with prepsol, prep wash, etc and have not noticed swirls re-appearing. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but when you say "if you deny this it's because you haven't done it", doesn't just make it so. Perhaps, like #80; sip and 106ff might fill when marring is left behind, but if no marring is left behind then there may be nothing to fill. For me, I haven't seen it fill; but like I said, that's just my experience. I am sure I don't have to mention that I've used a lot of it...



I personally don't care who uses what, I use what works for me and most of the time I don't even talk products...just relaying my experience. I do appreciate the interesting conversation you guys are having though.



SuperBee364 said:
Rydawg, that post had great info in it, thank you very much.



It's very reassuring to hear that even the pros have that odd problem getting 3.02 to work correctly. :)
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I agree, great post Ryan.



Question: where are you guys getting the ultrafina stuff? I'd like to try it.
 
Picus said:
I'd rather not get involved in this, so I am not going to touch on any of the other issues except this one. I just want to say that I have wiped down cars polished with sip and 106ff with prepsol, prep wash, etc and have not noticed swirls re-appearing. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but when you say "if you deny this it's because you haven't done it", doesn't just make it so. Perhaps, like #80; sip and 106ff might fill when marring is left behind, but if no marring is left behind then there may be nothing to fill. For me, I haven't seen it fill; but like I said, that's just my experience. I am sure I don't have to mention that I've used a lot of it...



I personally don't care who uses what, I use what works for me and most of the time I don't even talk products...just relaying my experience. I do appreciate the interesting conversation you guys are having though.







I agree, great post Ryan.



Question: where are you guys getting the ultrafina stuff? I'd like to try it.
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Your right, Picus and I should be more careful with my words, sometimes I get way to interested in the posts. 106ff does finish done exteremely nice and swirl free of course. It could be wiped down and leave a perfect finish on most every paint. However, I have had issues on certain paints, that when the body prep is used, swirls and marring (though less when I started, reappears. Of this is super fine marring that you must be inches from the paint to see).



I have also seen on two cars that I have done (A G35 last week and a Porsche 911) that looked perfect, even after wiping them with prepsol. I pulled both into the sun to take photos of the correction. Both times, I took a break for a couple hours (in the case of the G35, I had to run to the store to get a new EZ-UP canopy) and when I came back I to the cars, I could see minor hologramming that was not visible before.



I think the fact that both these cars where left in the sun (the G35 under a tree, so it had some shade, where as the 911 was left in my driveway) accelerated the issue. With the G35, I did the interior next (I didn't want to polish anymore and was kind of discouraged) then check the paint again. The holograms where slightly more visible then before. Also, wiping the surface with a microfiber revealed light streaking in the areas that where not covered by the EZ-UP.



I had left a black car in the sun (360 spider) for several hours after polishing (but before LSP) and never had the swirls reappear, so its obviously not an always thing, like I stated incorrectly in the post you questioned. I have also never seen this phenomen occur using FPII, though I can't really think of too many specific examples of leaving a car in the sun after polishing.



The 3M 3000 series products are pretty awesome. The Extra Cut compound cuts very fast (its like rubbing an eraser over pencil) but it does leave behind some swirling on the paint, that probably needs two mores steps to correct all the way.



The UltraFina is 3M SRC answer. Its VERY wet and can be worked an incrediably long time. Ryan turned me on to this several months ago, and I remember a video he linked for me, explaing how it worked. I'll see if I can find the link and PM it to you.



I'm not sure where you can get in Canada, but a lot of body shop supply stores in the US carry 3M.
 
TH0001 said:
Your right, Picus and I should be more careful with my words, sometimes I get way to interested in the posts. 106ff does finish done exteremely nice and swirl free of course. It could be wiped down and leave a perfect finish on most every paint. However, I have had issues on certain paints, that when the body prep is used, swirls and marring (though less when I started, reappears. Of this is super fine marring that you must be inches from the paint to see).



I have also seen on two cars that I have done (A G35 last week and a Porsche 911) that looked perfect, even after wiping them with prepsol. I pulled both into the sun to take photos of the correction. Both times, I took a break for a couple hours (in the case of the G35, I had to run to the store to get a new EZ-UP canopy) and when I came back I to the cars, I could see minor hologramming that was not visible before.



I think the fact that both these cars where left in the sun (the G35 under a tree, so it had some shade, where as the 911 was left in my driveway) accelerated the issue. With the G35, I did the interior next (I didn't want to polish anymore and was kind of discouraged) then check the paint again. The holograms where slightly more visible then before. Also, wiping the surface with a microfiber revealed light streaking in the areas that where not covered by the EZ-UP.



I had left a black car in the sun (360 spider) for several hours after polishing (but before LSP) and never had the swirls reappear, so its obviously not an always thing, like I stated incorrectly in the post you questioned. I have also never seen this phenomen occur using FPII, though I can't really think of too many specific examples of leaving a car in the sun after polishing.



The 3M 3000 series products are pretty awesome. The Extra Cut compound cuts very fast (its like rubbing an eraser over pencil) but it does leave behind some swirling on the paint, that probably needs two mores steps to correct all the way.



The UltraFina is 3M SRC answer. Its VERY wet and can be worked an incrediably long time. Ryan turned me on to this several months ago, and I remember a video he linked for me, explaing how it worked. I'll see if I can find the link and PM it to you.



I'm not sure where you can get in Canada, but a lot of body shop supply stores in the US carry 3M.
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Any chance you could post the link here? I'd love to see it... The possibility of another fine SRC final polish sounds great!
 
Thanks for the reply Todd; what you're saying makes sense. I am going to keep an eye out for it. If you can find that link I'd love to see it.
 
With fall in full swing here in New England, can anyone tell me how low in temp one can go in using SIP? Also with 106FF? I've got to do this all outside.
 
toml said:
With fall in full swing here in New England, can anyone tell me how low in temp one can go in using SIP? Also with 106FF? I've got to do this all outside.
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I know today is freezing up here and fall is here for sure. I froze washing a car today and I might get out of this business very soon unless I get an indoor wash bay.



I did use SIP last winter in my garage when it was 50 degrees and it was so so. I am on the manhunt for something similar that will work in the cold with little to no issues. I might try the 3M SRC polish tomorrow. But then again, most polishes do not like under 40 degrees anyway.
 
rydawg said:
I did use SIP last winter in my garage when it was 50 degrees and it was so so. I am on the manhunt for something similar that will work in the cold with little to no issues. I might try the 3M SRC polish tomorrow. But then again, most polishes do not like under 40 degrees anyway.
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Ryan, if 50 degrees gives so so results, what would be the lowest temperature that gives nice results? And would my car being a dark grey and polishing on a sunny but cool day mitigate the temperature somewhat? This will be my first time using the Menzerna polishes, and I'd like to give them a fair shake.



Is 106FF less temperature dependent?
 
toml said:
Ryan, if 50 degrees gives so so results, what would be the lowest temperature that gives nice results? And would my car being a dark grey and polishing on a sunny but cool day mitigate the temperature somewhat? This will be my first time using the Menzerna polishes, and I'd like to give them a fair shake.



Is 106FF less temperature dependent?
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I would still give it a try anyway....You never know how it will work. SIP is the only one that will act up in the cold weather every now and then. It all depends on the paint you are working on also.



106 always worked fine for me in the cold weather with no issues.
 
I used SIP and 106FF today on a 96 Viper GTS and it was 50 degrees. It worked perfect with no problems at all and did an amazing job. I used an orange LC 7.5 beveled edge non CCS pad and it worked superb with no issues at all. It seems to work the best on this pad in this weather.
 
rydawg said:
I used SIP and 106FF today on a 96 Viper GTS and it was 50 degrees. It worked perfect with no problems at all and did an amazing job. I used an orange LC 7.5 beveled edge non CCS pad and it worked superb with no issues at all. It seems to work the best on this pad in this weather.
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Ryan, that's awesome feedback! I'd be using an orange 6.5" non CCS pad for SIP and a white polishing pad for 106FF, so hopefully I'll be good to go when I polish my car out in a couple of weeks.



Thanks!
 
I was comparing it to 3m SRC polish today, but SIP just kicked some major azz today, even in the cold weather. My Metabo did not shut down once...It was the first ever. So with this pad combo, it will work in colder weather.
 
I think one thing to remember is 2 different people using the same pad and polish but with slightly different techniques on different paints are *possibly* going to get slightly different results. That doesn't mean that one is incorrect in their opinion. In the end th only opinion that truly matters is your opinion and how a product works for you.
 
That's very true. But it's nice to know that SIP can be worked at that temperature and give very nice results.
 
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