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JaredPointer said:
There's also another video of a wet slope where a 2WD Tundra makes it up the hill and the F-150 4X4 doesn't.
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Can't lie, I'm a Ford truck guy but when you're talking about loaded videos, I would have to think this one is in that arena. I don't care which brand we're talking about all things being equal there is no reason that a 2 wheel drive truck would be able to out climb a 4 wheel drive truck. Might be a case of open differential verses a posi-track, locker, tire choice or what have you but as I said all things being equal that just doesn't make sense.
 
GearHead_1 said:
Can't lie, I'm a Ford truck guy but when you're talking about loaded videos, I would have to think this one is in that arena. I don't care which brand we're talking about all things being equal there is no reason that a 2 wheel drive truck would be able to out climb a 4 wheel drive truck. Might be a case of open differential verses a posi-track, locker, tire choice or what have you but as I said all things being equal that just doesn't make sense.
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It's around on one of the truck forums. I think they're showing the Toyota simulated LSD (using the brakes) versus the Chevy locker and the Ford F-150 (I think because there wasn't an LSD/locker option on the 2WD truck they had). FWIW, I don't believe the Chevy made it up either. There's also a ditch and a bank with some snow or something. It's been a while, but if I can remember where I saw it I'll post a link.

And I agree with the loaded videos - it's easy for any manufacturer to doctor one up, as we've seen in this particular discussion.
 
GearHead_1 said:
Can't lie, I'm a Ford truck guy but when you're talking about loaded videos, I would have to think this one is in that arena. I don't care which brand we're talking about all things being equal there is no reason that a 2 wheel drive truck would be able to out climb a 4 wheel drive truck. Might be a case of open differential verses a posi-track, locker, tire choice or what have you but as I said all things being equal that just doesn't make sense.
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Your right you can not defy the laws of physics unless it is rigged some way a 2 wheel drive don't stand a chance against a 4x4 no matter who built it.

Toyota's do not have mystical powers.
 
black bart said:
a 2 wheel drive don't stand a chance against a 4x4 no matter who built it.
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That depends on the situation. I know lots of trail busters, desert runners, rock crawlers and sand buggies that are 2WD, and would run circles around most 4WDs. And Ford has a pretty darn capable 2WD right now (the Raptor) that I bet would stand up to as much abuse as any stock 4WD. Just goes to show how easy it is to doctor a video or to set it up to get the results you want.
 
Jngrbrdman said:
My next 'new' vehicle will be an old vehicle. I've got my eye on an '04 M3 convertible. Either that or potentially a year old A5 AWD convertible. I'm not entirely sure yet. I am really leaning toward the M though. I've always liked that car.

Then again, if Chevy produces a convertible Camaro like the ones I saw chopped at SEMA last year, I think I may just lose it and get one of those. That looked so freakin sexy I couldn't believe it! The Challenger looked awesome in a convertible too, but I've got more of a desire for a nice SS Camaro than the Challenger. I've already got all the practical vehicles I need, so my next car is going to have to be an impractical one. What gets more impractical than a rear wheel drive convertible in Utah? lol The M3 or Camaro would fit the bill nicely.
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A good set of snows the m3 is good to go.
For the moment I'm lovin the s5. :)

But the rag topped challenger and camaro are floatin my boat. Wonder how wife would take to me gettin the little one a challenger or camaro rag top? :)
 
JaredPointer said:
It's around on one of the truck forums. I think they're showing the Toyota simulated LSD (using the brakes) versus the Chevy locker and the Ford F-150 (I think because there wasn't an LSD/locker option on the 2WD truck they had). FWIW, I don't believe the Chevy made it up either. There's also a ditch and a bank with some snow or something. It's been a while, but if I can remember where I saw it I'll post a link.

And I agree with the loaded videos - it's easy for any manufacturer to doctor one up, as we've seen in this particular discussion.
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I have seen the video you are referring to all it proves is a limited slip is better than a open differential.
A 4x4 is also better than a 2 wheel drive if both have the same differentials
 
JaredPointer said:
That depends on the situation. I know lots of trail busters, desert runners, rock crawlers and sand buggies that are 2WD, and would run circles around most 4WDs. And Ford has a pretty darn capable 2WD right now (the Raptor) that I bet would stand up to as much abuse as any stock 4WD. Just goes to show how easy it is to doctor a video or to set it up to get the results you want.
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Now you are comparing one off hand built rock crawlers to a stock 4x4 ridiculous go back and read Gearheads post where he said ALL THINGS EQUAL
 
JaredPointer said:
Just goes to show how easy it is to doctor a video or to set it up to get the results you want.
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I'm not bagging on any manufacturer here. I'm just substantiating your comment. Take a look at the sidewall on the rear tires on the Toy in this video. I can all but guarantee you that if you take two equally prepared vehicles and put 50 lbs. pressure in one's tires and 15 lbs. pressure in the other's tires. On dry pavement the one with the lowest pressure (assuming you can keep tires on the wheels) will out pull the other. I've looked at this video several times. I don't think my eyes are playing tricks on me (even went and got my glasses). :D

YouTube - Tundra vs Ram 1500
 
GearHead_1 said:
I'm not bagging on any manufacturer here. I'm just substantiating your comment. Take a look at the sidewall on the rear tires on the Toy in this video. I can all but guarantee you that if you take two equally prepared vehicles and put 50 lbs. pressure in one's tires and 15 lbs. pressure in the other's tires. On dry pavement the one with the lowest pressure (assuming you can keep tires on the wheels) will out pull the other. I've looked at this video several times. I don't think my eyes are playing tricks on me (even went and got my glasses).

YouTube - Tundra vs Ram 1500
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Or this one.



YouTube - DODGE RAM 4X4 VS TOYOTA TUNDRA 4X4
 
Black Bart, I'm sure you meant to post this one:

YouTube - DODGE RAM VS CHEVY

I guess based on this irrefutable video evidence...Dodge rules. I mean that is a 420hp Chevy. ;)


Now that we have that behind us, maybe we can all get back to the what if scenario. :)
 
All these videos are as worthless as the one JP was talking about.
we don't know what tires are on any of these trucks, we can't see if they have weight in the bed we don't know if they have a detroit locker so the video proves exactly nothing.
 
Bah. And humbug. And bah.

If I ever find myself in the market for a new car I want someone to find a nice creative way to put me in a pine box. I don't want to buy something that's worth less the day after I buy it.

If my wife says, "Oh, Honey! Look! That new 2010 Spritzel Humana is just DARLING I simply must have one!" then I'm going to smack her upside the head with the checkbook and if a Spritzel Humana is what she must have, then she can have a 2006 model one that's already been, erm, what do they call that, Pre-Driven? Bah!

Example. Wifey likes the 2010 Fusion. That blue 4-cylinder SE automatic sitting around the corner at Cole Ford in Hillsboro stickers for $22-something and Edmunds TMV is $19,300 after rebate. I can easily get her a low mileage 2007 model like it for half that. $8995 is a popular number for 2006-2007 Fusions at the moment. And because I'm really, really wallet-numbingly cheap, we could always get the 2006 model with 90-some thousand miles for $7577 I'm making a phone call about right now as I type.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade...

rain.parade.jpg


Scratch that. Yes I am.
 
occupant said:
...Example. Wifey likes the 2010 Fusion. That blue 4-cylinder SE automatic sitting around the corner at Cole Ford in Hillsboro stickers for $22-something and Edmunds TMV is $19,300 after rebate. I can easily get her a low mileage 2007 model like it for half that. $8995 is a popular number for 2006-2007 Fusions at the moment. And because I'm really, really wallet-numbingly cheap, we could always get the 2006 model with 90-some thousand miles for $7577 I'm making a phone call about right now as I type.

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Hey, if you can sell your wife on that deal and make her happy with the deal, then you're gonna do just fine with that used car lot you're thinking about. :D How is that enterprise progressing?

Since you've been studying on this maybe you can tell me, but isn't @ 45k miles (difference between a 3 y/o @ 15k miles/yr and a high mileage 4 y/o) worth a lot more than a grand?
 
occupant said:
Example. Wifey likes the 2010 Fusion. That blue 4-cylinder SE automatic sitting around the corner at Cole Ford in Hillsboro stickers for $22-something and Edmunds TMV is $19,300 after rebate. I can easily get her a low mileage 2007 model like it for half that. $8995 is a popular number for 2006-2007 Fusions at the moment. And because I'm really, really wallet-numbingly cheap, we could always get the 2006 model with 90-some thousand miles for $7577 I'm making a phone call about right now as I type.
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Have fun paying for repairs and expensive preventative maintenance that will be due within 10K miles on that $7577 car!

My mentality when it comes to vehicle purchases is that by buying a new vehicle, it will last me for at least 8-10 years and with an extended warranty, I'm covered for most if not all of that time should any issues beyond fluid changes arise. I then trade it and move on just before any major parts start needing replacement.

By buying a used vehicle, I know going in that it's only going to last me 3-4 years, and I'll have to pay out of pocket if and when things break. At 90K miles, you can be sure you'll have to replace some suspension parts, brakes, and all fluids/filters, among other things.

Ultimately if you add all these expenses up, in the end you will probably discover that you'd have been better off paying a little more up front and getting a newer, lower mileage vehicle than to purchase a cheap high-mileage unit that is in need of mechanical attention.

:idea
 
occupant said:
Bah. And humbug. And bah.

If I ever find myself in the market for a new car I want someone to find a nice creative way to put me in a pine box. I don't want to buy something that's worth less the day after I buy it.

If my wife says, "Oh, Honey! Look! That new 2010 Spritzel Humana is just DARLING I simply must have one!" then I'm going to smack her upside the head with the checkbook and if a Spritzel Humana is what she must have, then she can have a 2006 model one that's already been, erm, what do they call that, Pre-Driven? Bah!

Example. Wifey likes the 2010 Fusion. That blue 4-cylinder SE automatic sitting around the corner at Cole Ford in Hillsboro stickers for $22-something and Edmunds TMV is $19,300 after rebate. I can easily get her a low mileage 2007 model like it for half that. $8995 is a popular number for 2006-2007 Fusions at the moment. And because I'm really, really wallet-numbingly cheap, we could always get the 2006 model with 90-some thousand miles for $7577 I'm making a phone call about right now as I type.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade...

rain.parade.jpg


Scratch that. Yes I am.
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Not sure if this is important, but the 07' Fusion looks nothing like the 10' Fusion that "Wifey" likes.
 
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