I tried this Z-pc, z2pro, Natty's w/ NO ZFX

blkZ28Conv said:
Yes, time is money and Sal saw the importance of time even for the fanatic hobbist detailer and created, after much investment, ZFX.
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Perhaps he could invest a little more time and money, and come up with a version of ZFX that doesn't solidify in its container. Since I only get a few mL for my $20, it'd be nice if I got to use it all. This last vial, which I took great care to cap tightly and keep climate-controlled, is starting to thicken and gel after only about six months, and this is the second vial in a row that has gone bad.



Tort

My ZFX is gellin' like a bad Dr. Scholl's commercial . . .
 
TortoiseAWD said:
Perhaps he could invest a little more time and money, and come up with a version of ZFX that doesn't solidify in its container. Since I only get a few mL for my $20, it'd be nice if I got to use it all. This last vial, which I took great care to cap tightly and keep climate-controlled, is starting to thicken and gel after only about six months, and this is the second vial in a row that has gone bad.



Tort

My ZFX is gellin' like a bad Dr. Scholl's commercial . . .
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He has!!! :woot:



This was annouced several weeks ago and I think Sal even wrote about this new, less environmental and user dependent version of ZFX on his website. I know I posted about the up-dated version of ZFX.



Sal also at the same time restated that "if your ZFX gels" call and he will replace. Give Sal a call for your replacement.



Really can't ask more than this. IMO.
 
Here is my post about ZFX from 10/25/2005



To put it plainly, if your ZFX solidified or gelled and is less than the 18 month shelf-life of this product, Zaino (Sal) will replace the product (ZFX).



Considering that very few users have faced this problem, Sal is willing to replace it if you do face a problem.

The most likely cause is not the ZFX itself ( I have some over 2 years old) but most like the failure to " immediately closing the vial tightly after dispensing. I do not think this fact is clearly denoted in the instruction. Remember this a catalyzing agent and is very reactive. Like super glue, ZFX if not tightly sealed will react and solidify. Storage is also important. This was a rather hot summer and if one stores their detailing products in an environment that is effected by the heat (i.e garage that is not climate controlled), this too my cause instability. ZFX also should never be allowed to freeze.



Good new though. Sal has tweeked the ZFX formulation with the intend that ZFX is less sensitive to these potential environmental and handling events. Still works great but less prone to solidify or gel.





Sal has always been very customer satisfaction first and foremost. He is personally involved with his products and interaction (customer service - you talk to the Man himself) with the car fanatics that use his products. Give him a call. If you do not remember when exactly you purchased the ZFX, no problem. Sal can find your order data. If you purchased from a distributor, the same replacement policy stands.



Hope this helps. Just call Sal.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
Sal also at the same time restated that "if your ZFX gels" call and he will replace. Give Sal a call for your replacement.



Really can't ask more than this. IMO.
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That's good to hear, considering I read on another forum that Sal was not sympathetic towards someone who had this problem. That might have been before he was truly aware it was a problem though.
 
blkZ28Conv said:
He has!!! :woot:



This was annouced several weeks ago and I think Sal even wrote about this new, less environmental and user dependent version of ZFX on his website. I know I posted about the up-dated version of ZFX.
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Good to know . . . I must have missed your post.
Sal also at the same time restated that "if your ZFX gels" call and he will replace. Give Sal a call for your replacement.
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I'll give that a try.
Really can't ask more than this. IMO.
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I dunno about that . . . I have a big wish list. :D



Tort
 
blkZ28Conv said:
I detail for profit once a month and fun on the side and my clients do not expect anything less than Zaino after experiencing their first dose and the longevity of that "just waxed" appearance and the money spent for me to do their car.
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I've been getting the same reaction from customers whose cars I have topped with Collinite 845. :)



I do know the customer whose M Roadster I used Z5/Z8 on the other day was very pleased as well. Too bad his car is too much of a garage queen to really test Zaino's durability. However, since his car probably won't need any polishing until spring, I'll just keep doing Z5/Z8 every other month.
 
So if I put Nattys blue over the 3 coats of Z2pro with ZFX that I will have on the wifes BMW, I can no longer put any more Z2 on the surface? What about using Z6? I also use Menzerna High Gloss Acrylic Shield, once in a while, will I still be able to use that over the NB?
 
wash with dawn to remove the Natty's.. load up on the z2 pro, and re-load on the Natty's and you'll be fine.. that's what i do..
 
tumbler said:
wash with dawn to remove the Natty's.. load up on the z2 pro, and re-load on the Natty's and you'll be fine.. that's what i do..
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Makes sense.



So applying the natty's should give this color a deeper look?







Thanks!
 
I don't really see the problem here. If you want to use Zaino w/o ZFX and it meets your expectations, then great. If you want to realize its maximum potential, spend the extra money and use ZFX. It's good to have choice! COBRyan seems to indicate that the extra durability is of no consequence to him, so maybe he has no use for ZFX. That being said, there seem to be claims of enhanced aesthetics when using ZFX. Not sure if that's true.



Personally the mixing is a bit of a hassle sometimes, but I mostly just don't like mixing bottles. Perhaps I'll have to find something else.
 
Scottwax said:
Honestly, I think more pros would be more apt to use Zaino if it wasn't for ZFX and Zaino's incompatibility with some polishes (because of the oils).
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Are other sealants much different in this regard(not ZFX, but needing a bare surface)? I haven't seen much testing to see what Zaino's durability is like over products that leave things behind. However, I imagine Acrylic Jett wouldn't as long over something other than bare paint or Prime. CMA claims FMJ's durability is unharmed over their glaze, FTG, but my testing shows otherwise. Sal just suggests using a bare surface, just as he suggests using ZFX. Perhaps not providing the optimum bonding surface would cause some products to fail entirely and some to merely lose durability. Who knows.



- J
 
I just layered on 3 coats of Z2 without the ZFX and it looks great

(let the z2 sit for over 3hrs before applying a new coat)



post pics later today
 
Taking the example of SG, you can apply three coats in three hours, but there's no guarantee there are actually three coats on there. It may be one very well applied coat in the end or something between one and three.
 
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