Considered Zaino? Z2 + ZFX gives me an easy 6 months of protection for outdoor car. Easy off if you ask me. Much easier off than Collinite 476, and last just as long IMHO. And it does make silver pop, although I know you're not concerned with that.... Never used Zaino ZCS, but with this new product you just wipe on and let dry. No buffing required. Says it give 9 months of protection, but I can't confirm/deny since I never used....
I need need some ideas/advice on waxes/waxing etc
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1flyfisher
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onerareviper said:
I am willing to consider anything...any product. If a product can do it all that would be sweet. But yes I am after protection first and foremost. Shiny Silver would be a bonus.
Thanks I will look into these Zaino products.
The site is - Zaino Store (Click Product Info)
Just be warned, some people are fanatics and put or recommend multiple coats, etc... You don't need all that BS, unless you plan to show your car at some huge event. Even then, one coat makes mine look great. If you decide to try Zaino, just stick with the Z2 & ZFX. The Z2 is the polish, and the ZFX is a liquid additive. You add the ZFX to the polish just before you're ready to apply. Or, just give the Z-CS a try by itself, in which case you would not purchase the Z2 & ZFX.
I really don't think 'you' need to consider any of there other products. Although they are good as well, not needed for your case. One caveat. If your going to hand wash your car vs. car wash, there Z-7 car wash is a good product. And it will not strip any of the Zaino protection/polish you already applied. Of course any good car wash should be OK...
Also, make sure before applying the product (FOR THE FIRST TIME) you wash your car thoroughly with a 'harsh' detergent instead of a car wash detergent. Zaino recommends using Dawn Dishwashing detergent. You ONLY do this before applying the Zaino for the first time. This is what I use, and it works great. It removes any pre-existing wax and prepares the car for Zaino polish/protection. Make sure you do this, as even a dealer/plant will buff or apply a protectorant. When you re-apply Zaino 6-9 months down the road, you do not have to do this step. Only the very first time to remove wax products that make the Zaino not adhere properly...
And lastly, if you have any questions the owner of the business is Sal. Phone or email. Just beware, like most 'Jersey people he can be quick on the phone + 'sound' rude. But he's always answered my questions....
Just be warned, some people are fanatics and put or recommend multiple coats, etc... You don't need all that BS, unless you plan to show your car at some huge event. Even then, one coat makes mine look great. If you decide to try Zaino, just stick with the Z2 & ZFX. The Z2 is the polish, and the ZFX is a liquid additive. You add the ZFX to the polish just before you're ready to apply. Or, just give the Z-CS a try by itself, in which case you would not purchase the Z2 & ZFX.
I really don't think 'you' need to consider any of there other products. Although they are good as well, not needed for your case. One caveat. If your going to hand wash your car vs. car wash, there Z-7 car wash is a good product. And it will not strip any of the Zaino protection/polish you already applied. Of course any good car wash should be OK...
Also, make sure before applying the product (FOR THE FIRST TIME) you wash your car thoroughly with a 'harsh' detergent instead of a car wash detergent. Zaino recommends using Dawn Dishwashing detergent. You ONLY do this before applying the Zaino for the first time. This is what I use, and it works great. It removes any pre-existing wax and prepares the car for Zaino polish/protection. Make sure you do this, as even a dealer/plant will buff or apply a protectorant. When you re-apply Zaino 6-9 months down the road, you do not have to do this step. Only the very first time to remove wax products that make the Zaino not adhere properly...
And lastly, if you have any questions the owner of the business is Sal. Phone or email. Just beware, like most 'Jersey people he can be quick on the phone + 'sound' rude. But he's always answered my questions....
1flyfisher
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Ordered my NEW van today with all the goodies. Now I can't wait for it to get here. Pure Silver, AWD, G80 Locker, Remote Start, loaded. Everything but stereo and nice wheels. The Van wheels it comes with look pretty bad so next fall I am getting some new chrome American Racing Assaults for it with some beefy BFG At's Or maybe Toyo At's. I'll get an Alpine stereo system installed too.
I got a great deal too through the Costco Auto Buying Program. $800 less than my second best offer.
Should I wax it right away?
I know when autobody shops do paint work it is best to wait 2-3 months before waxing. What about new cars?
I got a great deal too through the Costco Auto Buying Program. $800 less than my second best offer.
Should I wax it right away?
I know when autobody shops do paint work it is best to wait 2-3 months before waxing. What about new cars?
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1flyfisher said:
Gee, they still use the "G80" designation for the LSD huh? Some things never change! I bet it's kinda exciting having it on order.
Legacy00 said:
Yeah, dealer prep usually does more harm than good!
In 1flyfisher's situation, I think that a decontamination wash with something like "ABC" woulb be more feasible than claying.
1flyfisher
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What's "ABC"
I'm not claying anything.
I will wash it with good car wash soap or maybe Dawn and then wax with KAIO and then apply KSG.
I'm not claying anything.
I will wash it with good car wash soap or maybe Dawn and then wax with KAIO and then apply KSG.
Rob Tomlin
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I'm surprised at some of the recommendations in this thread, and the fact that a *lot* more people are not recommending either Opti-Seal or UPGP. Those would definitely be my recommendations here.
They are both excellent products and you really aren't giving much if anything up in terms of durability and protection. You don't need to wipe them off, which would be a huge benefit in this situation.
They are both excellent products and you really aren't giving much if anything up in terms of durability and protection. You don't need to wipe them off, which would be a huge benefit in this situation.
Rob Tomlin said:
I'm with you on the Opti-seal recomendation. It is so easy and yet still effective. My car is on month four, going on month five, with 3 coats of optiseal, topped for fun with Carnuba Moose Wax. It is still going strong. (I got hit by a raven bomb the other day, but my finish was still so slick it came off with incredible ease. )
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1flyfisher said:
Check out the AutoInt website for info: http://www.autoint.com
Don't get *too* impressed about the stuff's potency, it's nothing to be leery of.
You could check out the Finish Kare website (sorry, no link handy) for their decontamination system, which is very similar.
That's what I figured, hence the ABC recommendation.
I thought you were gonna go with FK1000P or something else more user-friendly than the KSG :think:
The ABC would sustitute for the Dawn wash. Same idea (especially the "A", the "B" is more of a substite for claying).
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I am going to use the KAIO/KSG combo myself on everything I can but the roof(and I may use them depending on who is doing the work).
Since I may need someone to do the roof in one step I may just have them use FK1-1000 or KAIO on the roof. I wanted what ever was easiest for someone to do the roof in one waxing. So I am thinking I will buy all three and use them as needed.
So applying KAIO and then KSG might be too much work for someone I shanghai for a few hours.
SO maybe just KAIO or FK1 by themselves on the roof.
I will try and find someone that wants to earn a few bucks for a few hours work and I will supervise the waxing. If I can find someone who is a good worker then I may have them do the KAIO and KSG combo.
It all depends on who is doing the work.
I may put an ad on craigslist and see if someone wants to earn a few bucks or an ad at the local university. Maybe a college kid or something, or some of the kids I flyfish with.
I am going to use the KAIO/KSG combo myself on everything I can but the roof(and I may use them depending on who is doing the work).
Since I may need someone to do the roof in one step I may just have them use FK1-1000 or KAIO on the roof. I wanted what ever was easiest for someone to do the roof in one waxing. So I am thinking I will buy all three and use them as needed.
So applying KAIO and then KSG might be too much work for someone I shanghai for a few hours.
SO maybe just KAIO or FK1 by themselves on the roof.
I will try and find someone that wants to earn a few bucks for a few hours work and I will supervise the waxing. If I can find someone who is a good worker then I may have them do the KAIO and KSG combo.
It all depends on who is doing the work.
I may put an ad on craigslist and see if someone wants to earn a few bucks or an ad at the local university. Maybe a college kid or something, or some of the kids I flyfish with.
Accumulator
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1flyfisher- OK, roger that. I just wondered if the KSG would be user-friendly enough for you. I'm usually *defending* it as being OK to work with, but I'm not sure I'd equate my situation with yours in that regard.
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The telescoping applicator with a micro fiber bonnet should have no problem applying the wax and buffing it off from my estimation.
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1flyfisher said:
Well, you'd better put the KSG on *VERY* thin, and honestly, I wouldn't want to do it the way you will be trying.
I've given this a fair bit of thought and I'd be *ALL* about easy on/off. Noting again that I find KSG easier to use than most people, I still think I'd want something a *lot* easier for the way you'll be doing it.
I'd go back to the KAIO/FK1000P plan myself. I'd even consider periodic toppers/refreshers with Collinite 845.
The way the long application/buffing medium will compromise your leverage, and the way you'll be hard-pressed to fog the surface being buffed with your breath, makes KSG sound like a potential headache to me. Compared to FK1000P, well, there *is* no comparison. And unless you're gonna heavily layer the KSG it won't offer any real benefits over several other LSPs (including the FK1000P); the primary benefit of KSG *IMO* is its layerability.
Hey, if you *do* go with KSG, nothing would make me happier than for you to prove me wrong
But I'd hate for you to be stuck struggling, or prematurely redoing things (and having an unused bottle of KSG on the shelf) if your experiences prove me right.1flyfisher
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I've never used KSG so I will see how the product is. But all the other waxes I have used over the years using a foot and a half handle with a pad would work with Zymol or Carnauba's etc I have used. We are only talking about a foot and a half here, not that big of a deal. But we shall see. If anything I can still use it on the majority of where I can reach.
If I don't like the KSG I'll send it to you.
If I don't like the KSG I'll send it to you.
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1flyfisher said:
Heh heh, I'd happily accept any cast-off KSG
But seriously, yeah, with stuff like the chrome trim and wheels you'll find uses for it whether it's the right overall LSP or not. I use KSG on certain parts of all my vehicles, even though it's the overall LSP on just one of them.
I'll be interested to hear what you think of it. I find most carnaubas (and also most other sealants for that matter) to buff off a lot easier, but hey, who knows :nixweiss
That "foot and a half" bit clarifies things for me. The van owner I know who's in a chair would have to use a longer pole than that to do his ride (Ford E-250 I think) so maybe I have an incorrect perspective here.